Cycling in Hyde Park: ban?

[Boycey]

mutual consideration is the key to so many problems, shame it's so rare. surely good design can go some way to helping things for VIPs?

 

[cybertect]

That's not much different to the road rules - ie give way to pedestrians crossing

AFAIK, pedestrians only have priority on roads at designated crossings (Zebra, Pelican, etc.) and limited other situations (e.g. when traffic is turning into a junction where pedestrians are already crossing)

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070108

D. If traffic is coming, let it pass. Look all around again and listen. Do not cross until there is a safe gap in the traffic and you are certain that there is plenty of time. Remember, even if traffic is a long way off, it may be approaching very quickly.

Advice for pedestrians on cycle paths (HC Rule 13)

Routes shared with cyclists. Some cycle tracks run alongside footpaths or pavements, using a segregating feature to separate cyclists from people on foot. Segregated routes may also incorporate short lengths of tactile paving to help visually impaired people stay on the correct side. On the pedestrian side this will comprise a series of flat-topped bars running across the direction of travel (ladder pattern). On the cyclist side the same bars are orientated in the direction of travel (tramline pattern). Not all routes which are shared with cyclists are segregated. Take extra care where this is so (see Rule 62).

Advice for cyclists on shared paths (HC Rule 62)

Cyclists and pedestrians may be segregated or they may share the same space (unsegregated). When using segregated tracks you MUST keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath. Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. Take care near road junctions as you may have difficulty seeing other road users, who might not notice you.

The Highway Code is usually well nuanced in its wording. They didn't choose "You should give way to pedestrians" which would have established a clear priority. It's more of a general 'take care' message for cyclists.

The Royal Parks' Code, however, is quite explicit - "Pedestrians have priority over all other users of pathways, even in areas designated and marked for other purposes."

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

mutual consideration is the key to so many problems, shame it's so rare. surely good design can go some way to helping things for VIPs?

of course it can. TC did an interesting thread recently on the shared street proposals for kensington high st, which touched on many pertinent issues.

 

[Cobbles]

exactly, cycling in Netherlands is a pleasure.

Mainly 'cause it's flat........

 

[T & P]

Mainly 'cause it's flat........

 

[flash]

of course it can. TC did an interesting thread recently on the shared street proposals for kensington high st, which touched on many pertinent issues.

Didn't see this and may act a touch ignorant on the point and am going a touch off topic but Kensington High Street? - isn't that the one with all of the stainless steel street furniture that VIP's can't see that well (believe TfL's Street Furniture guide may actually mention this as well). Nice....

Also the point above about green paint - at about £20 a square meter all in inclusively, and the cost of a fatality around £78,000 - great use of money in a recession as an alternative to people using their eyes.

Signs - the cyclists preferred design standard of choice suggests using signs at 300mm which people may miss. The accepted best practice suggests using them at 450mm. If someone can't see a 450mm diameter sign I seriously suggest joining the VIP crowd. To put it bluntly, clutter shouldn't even come into it. Until people start to use their eyes, and when they can't be bothered to look call the "no win, no fee brigade" engineers have to design for morons.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Didn't see this and may act a touch ignorant on the point and am going a touch off topic but Kensington High Street? - isn't that the one with all of the stainless steel street furniture that VIP's can't see that well (believe TfL's Street Furniture guide may actually mention this as well). Nice....

Also the point above about green paint - at about £20 a square meter all in inclusively, and the cost of a fatality around £78,000 - great use of money in a recession as an alternative to people using their eyes.

Signs - the cyclists preferred design standard of choice suggests using signs at 300mm which people may miss. The accepted best practice suggests using them at 450mm. If someone can't see a 450mm diameter sign I seriously suggest joining the VIP crowd. To put it bluntly, clutter shouldn't even come into it. Until people start to use their eyes, and when they can't be bothered to look call the "no win, no fee brigade" engineers have to design for morons.

3 signs every meter might be a bit too close imo, you'd have a hell of a time getting in or out of the lane if there was any trouble..

 

[Boycey]

3 signs every meter might be a bit too close imo, you'd have a hell of a time getting in or out of the lane if there was any trouble..

post read fail

 

[Bob_the_lost]

post read fail

Irony fail.

 

[flash]

post read fail

I think this was our point (but I do irony - I just didn't think that was ironic as I didn't mention distancing - did suggest 100m last night).

 

[Boycey]

Irony fail.

straight back atcha to be blunt

 

[Pickman's model]

should ban cyclists on the canal, tho.

 

[fjydj]

Mainly 'cause it's flat........

Genius.

Like I said The Netherlands might as well be another planet; most of the populated parts of this country are pretty flat too, if we're going to be London centric almost all of zone 2/3 in London is flat, and its all flat out to west London and eastwards too.

The downside for the Dutch of their flat landscape are the strong headwinds which is why many normal looking Dutch bikes have tri-bars attached... and they never have the pleasure of free wheeling downhill