Cycling in Hyde Park: ban?
- Thread starter maximilian ping
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i never said i used the ped only routes as they were meant to be used
well you're coming across as a bit hypocritical in that case, no?
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
i manage to use the ped only routes without endangering others or feeling the need to be violent towards those who have a right to be there. are you defending the OP's want to throw a left hook at law abiding cyclists in bicycle lanes because he can't keep his kid under control and has piss poor vision?
Not at all, where have I suggested that?
And whether you endanger pedestrians would partly be down to how they feel about how you ride your bike. You might feel entirely in control if you're riding fast (not suggesting that's what you do), but to pedestrians it can be intimidating.
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
for sure, as a cyclist i have an intimate knowledge of how frightening it can be to be passed close at speed. on shared used paths i go really slow when within several metres of people while paying attention to kids and pets, on roads and dedicated bicycle paths i also slow down around peds because i know that lots, like the OP, have all the road sense of ketamised lemming.
you, and many others on this thread, have implicitly defended the OP's feelings of violence towards law abiding strangers by saying nothing about while agreeing with his frankly bizarre stance.
you, and many others on this thread, have implicitly defended the OP's feelings of violence towards law abiding strangers by saying nothing about while agreeing with his frankly bizarre stance.
you, and many others on this thread, have implicitly defended the OP's feelings of violence towards law abiding strangers by saying nothing about while agreeing with his frankly bizarre stance.
Not at all.
But if it helps, no I don't agree with pedestrians hitting cyclists nor cyclists hitting pedestrians with D locks.
roryer
道可道非常道，名可名非常名
When on roads I think cyclists should be as inconsiderate to motorists as is possible without being killed.
But when cycling in the parks we should try to be as considerate as possible, and generally slow down a bit.
It can be annoying when pedestrians walk on the cycle path blocking all passing points, and not moving even for a cycle bell, but slowing down and saying excuse me usually does the trick.
Pedestrians who still tut, even when you have slowed to walking speed while on a cycle path, should look at the obvious signs that this is a cycle path and be more considerate too of course.
I think we should close the roads through the parks, the cars annoy me, and what's up with all the parks vehicles, parks police etc. they should be put on bicycles or cargo bikes when doing some gardening.
But when cycling in the parks we should try to be as considerate as possible, and generally slow down a bit.
It can be annoying when pedestrians walk on the cycle path blocking all passing points, and not moving even for a cycle bell, but slowing down and saying excuse me usually does the trick.
Pedestrians who still tut, even when you have slowed to walking speed while on a cycle path, should look at the obvious signs that this is a cycle path and be more considerate too of course.
I think we should close the roads through the parks, the cars annoy me, and what's up with all the parks vehicles, parks police etc. they should be put on bicycles or cargo bikes when doing some gardening.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
Cycling around/through the park whilst trying to break Lance Armstrong's speed record is not exactly what it is all about. The idea is to ride considerately and slowly as befits the usage of a park.
Kids play in parks and are blissfully unaware of cycle lanes and speeding vehicles, it is the one time both them and their parents don't have to worry about a speeding car outside their residence, school, route to school, a friend or families house.
I cannot stress this enough, the joy of letting little ones run around freely is a welcome break for stressed parents and it should be retained.
Cyclists when cycling in parks should consider the fact that they are the menace and ride with due diligence. I am tempted to plump for a ban in this situation because there are so many idiot cyclists about.
I say this as a daily cycle commuter sometimes even through parks.
Kids play in parks and are blissfully unaware of cycle lanes and speeding vehicles, it is the one time both them and their parents don't have to worry about a speeding car outside their residence, school, route to school, a friend or families house.
I cannot stress this enough, the joy of letting little ones run around freely is a welcome break for stressed parents and it should be retained.
Cyclists when cycling in parks should consider the fact that they are the menace and ride with due diligence. I am tempted to plump for a ban in this situation because there are so many idiot cyclists about.
I say this as a daily cycle commuter sometimes even through parks.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
Then, in return, you won't mind motorists being as inconsiderate to cyclists on roads as possible without actually killing them?
Poor thinking IMO. Consideration cuts all ways.
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
exactly
unfortunately, a lot of the cyclists in Hyde park yesterday seemed to be taking out their road rage on people having fun in the park..
there was something distinctly nasty about an English arse on a bike followed by around 10 others (some sort of cycling club or outing) screaming at a group of 13 year old old spanish girls who had strayed onto the 'path of death' to 'Get off get off' like they were beggars crossing his country mansion lawn.
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
That's well out of order
roryer
道可道非常道，名可名非常名
Then, in return, you won't mind motorists being as inconsiderate to cyclists on roads as possible without actually killing them?
Poor thinking IMO. Consideration cuts all ways.
Sorry you are right, but motorists have a lot more to be considerate about than cyclists.
They must consider the burden they place on the air quality, community noise & safety, and global environment and refrain from driving except in an absolute emergency.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
There's two things going on here, judging from my (extensive) experience of cycling through Hyde Park.
There are some cyclists who ride too fast, often assuming that since they are on a designated cycle path they don't have to watch out for pedestrians etc. The simple fact is they do, just as anyone using any form of transport in any circumstances has a responsibility to be aware of what is going on around them.
There are pedestrians who see a piece of path free of other pedestrians and thus decide it is the ideal place to walk, completely oblivious to all the various markings designating it as a cycle path.
Both lots have a tendency to blame everyone else when their stupidity causes a problem.
There are some cyclists who ride too fast, often assuming that since they are on a designated cycle path they don't have to watch out for pedestrians etc. The simple fact is they do, just as anyone using any form of transport in any circumstances has a responsibility to be aware of what is going on around them.
There are pedestrians who see a piece of path free of other pedestrians and thus decide it is the ideal place to walk, completely oblivious to all the various markings designating it as a cycle path.
Both lots have a tendency to blame everyone else when their stupidity causes a problem.
Boycey
juvenile rave slut
best post so far.
fjydj
is specified
^^^ too true, there is also the huge problem that in this country all cycle facilities are of such poor quality and designed so badly that these conflicts are the inevitable result.
As I understand, the bike path along Rotten Row is defined as a separate bicycle path and the one along Serpentine Row is a shared space; however the Rotten Row one is just too narrow and has no actual separation from the pedestrian section. This is just totally inadequate for its location in the middle of a major city. The horse track next to it is very wide and could easily accommodate a bike path wide enough for two cyclists to cycle side by side in each direction.
Personally I think in areas like this it is essential to cycle fairly slowly and give way to pedestrians, if you want to go fast the road called South Carriage Drive is the best bet. I think one of the best things the LCC could do is advocate a considerate cycling campaign as some cyclists really are a bit of a problem, and we end up with already crap cycle facilities being made even worse because of the so called fear of cyclists going too fast.
scifisam
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Very true.
I can't see where that cyclist went wrong telling someone to get off the cycle path. What else should he have done? Called 'could you move to one side please?' by which time his wheel'd be up her arse anyway? Just crash into her on purpose? Stop, and give up on cycling altogether?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I still think these are largely rage orientated banned car owners, although it does suit me to think that.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Very true.
I can't see where that cyclist went wrong telling someone to get off the cycle path. What else should he have done? Called 'could you move to one side please?' by which time his wheel'd be up her arse anyway? Just crash into her on purpose? Stop, and give up on cycling altogether?
I've been yelled at for asking a group of people if they could walk on the pedestrian part of a path. Trouble is they are completely unaware that they are walking on a cycle path, and they don't give a toss anyway.
Shared use surface at least 3.0 meters in width (satisfying the Greenways crowd and at the same time those that abide by the London Cycling Design Standards), signs to diag.956 at 450mm diameter, class ref.2 fascia, unlit, at 100m intervals (to satisfy those that abide by Chapter 3), Corduroy paving at either end and a crap poster or leaflet from TfL - job done?
Not always that easy in a heritage/historic landscape setting
Alright so I would have to consult the Royal Parks people's (dependent on which part of the park I stuck it through English Heritage as well - I was intending to use grey corduroy to the DETR spec so that it met the guidelines and didn't stand out though)
English Heritage no, TRP yes. It's the 3m width that's more of a problem than anything else, particularly where there's a lot of trees
But it can be done, generally where existing infrastructure can be upgraded - e.g., Regents Park Broadwalk (shared use trial currently under way)
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