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CW's take on the state of the UK Left today...

SuburbanCasual said:
Fairplay to claswar ,its about time someone on the left made it clear that islam is a violent backward ,and reactionary belief.
That sounds just like something the BNP would come up with. So all Muslims in the eyes of Class War are violent, backward, and reactionary huh?

Here's my theory: Class War is secretly trying to appeal to Sun readers ;) Meanwhile I will continue to believe there is good and bad in all faiths and religions, and they generally preach a message of peace unless bastardised by warmongering scumbags.
 
Tom A said:
That sounds just like something the BNP would come up with. So all Muslims in the eyes of Class War are violent, backward, and reactionary huh?
Discussion of the impact of an ideology is not the same thing condemnation of the individuals who hold it.

Meanwhile I will continue to believe there is good and bad in all faiths and religions, and they generally preach a message of peace unless bastardised by warmongering scumbags.
Yeah, but that's because you're a fucking liberal, no matter how much you insist otherwise.
 
In Bloom said:
Discussion of the impact of an ideology is not the same thing condemnation of the individuals who hold it.
It's not the fault of individual Muslims that Islamic fundamentalism has fucked up significant parts of the world

Yeah, but that's because you're a fucking liberal, no matter how much you insist otherwise.
Like I care what you call me. I certanly happy to be distanced from the "anarchists" thank you very much if anarchism means you cannot tolerate a persons right to freedom of religion and anyone who thinks differently from them.
 
Donna Ferentes said:
Denounce! Denounce! That is Moses and the prophets to the anarchists!
How would you feel about some Blairite twat going round calling himself "Tom S" and claiming to be a socialist? Would you find it a little annoying, perchance?

In any case, I don't think a trot is in any position to be making gags about denouncement and sectarianism.
 
Tom "A" said:
It's not the fault of individual Muslims that Islamic fundamentalism has fucked up significant parts of the world
It's not the fault of individual Christians that Christian fundamentalism has fucked up significant parts of the world
It's not the fault of individual Jewish people that Jewish fundamentalism has fucked up the Middle East
Cont. on page 96...

Like I care what you call me. I certanly happy to be distanced from the "anarchists" thank you very much if anarchism means you cannot tolerate a persons right to freedom of religion and anyone who thinks differently from them.
There's a difference between tolerating something and pretending to agree with it.

Though it would be nice if you wouldn't call yourself an anarchist anymore. I was starting to consider calling trading standards.
 
In Bloom said:
Though it would be nice if you wouldn't call yourself an anarchist anymore. I was starting to consider calling trading standards.
I don't call myself an anarchist, although I am interested in some parts of anarchist theory. My surname happens to begin with A if that is what confusing you.

Oh, and it's not a religion's fault that people purporting to follow it are such fuckwits. Hell, Bhuddism all all about peace and harmony but that hasn't stopped people who just happen to consider that their religion going about causing misery in Sri Lanka and Bhutan. Also, Jesus did say "love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek", y'know. :p

And finally, who are you to decide who is and isn't an ararchist?
 
You know, I often think about the politics necessary for the working class movement to progress, and it is often the opposite of what groups who pretend to be 'pro working class' practice (regardless of their ideology).
 
BAKU9 said:
...and their pandering to islamo-nutters and extremists.
Well done Class War. It's about time someone had the balls to say it!

http://www.londonclasswar.org/newswire_hezbollocks.php

What say you Respectites, Swappies and other spouters of Islamo-trottery? :mad:

I've been thinking about the recently found Left Communist 'theory' that the current leadership of Class War has been attempting to force upon us, and think I've spotted a contradiction.

If 'we' are no longer going to side with the indigenous struggling working classes against imperialist armies, then that means that the current CW line on Ireland must be changed too.

Below is a spoof write up of the obscenely class struggleless CW line on the war in Lebanon... I had a few giggles about it anyway:D



Republicunts V. Francunts (26th July 2006)

A Class War Federation statement on the Spanish Civil War.

Class War is appalled at the carnage that occurred in Spain. We are also disappointed but not surprised at what is being said about it, especially by some "progressive" organisations.

Spain is being turned into a grotesque war-games board as the real protagonists - The USA and Germany use their proxies to slug it out.

Neither the Fascist army nor republicans gave a flying fuck about 'their' civilians, except as bloody totems to hang in front of the cameras of the world's press in order to justify their own next atrocity.

The left have adopted two approaches.
Firstly, wholesale adoption of the republican agenda, cheerleading the CP or SP without qualification or criticism. This 'Idiot anti-imperialism', the trademark of today's SWP, says my enemy's enemy is my friend and any criticism of them, no matter how mild, is 'racism, Francoism, and fascist pro American warmongering.'
The second approach is slightly more subtle - republicans are fighting back, therefore we must support republicans and the slogan 'we are all republican' is an act of basic solidarity with those who are fighting back against imperialism - the slogan is compared with the Parisian students who, when Danny Cohn-Bendit was attacked in the bourgeois press as a German Jew, marched through Paris chanting 'nous sommes tout les jiufs allemands!' (we are all German Jews).

This argument is crap - republicans aren't a nationality or a racial epithet, it is an alliance/militia, if the slogan really wanted to fit then the SWP should have handed out placards proclaiming 'WE ARE ALL SH'ITE'.

Spain has a radical history, albeit one distorted by the chains of Leninist communism, but this has been written out of the Brit left's history books in their rush to embrace Trottery.

A real working class alternative is desperately needed - one that recognises that there can be no peace whilst borders are drawn by reference to the Trots, and International policy is determined in Washington by consulting the Book of Revelations.

"Fascists living in Madrid fund the war, and contribute bodies to the war. It's not true to say they are wholly 'innocent'... "
- that quote is from an otherwise relatively sane leftist, and is a justification for every atrocity against civilians ever. It gives an idea just how much the left loses it when the question of Spain is raised.

The Franco state oppresses the republicans, driving them into the hands of the fanatic anarchists out of despair at the failure of the secular Spanish left. In turn the bombers provide for the Fascist state 'proof' of the murderous nature of the anarchists and drives the Spanish public to support harsher and harsher measures against the 'terrorists'.

This is a self destructive spiral and must be broken.

The Franco Spanish state is not shaken by republicans or by bombers - it is strengthened by them.

The last real challenge to the Franco state was the anarchists, mass popular resistance on the streets of Barcelona and surrounding area, and amongst the 'Catelan’ population, this rose up from below from the streets and spread all across the middle, east, and north Spain as the working class drew inspiration from the bravery of the anarchist youth, and employed the same tactics to confront their own ruling classes. Inside Spain proper the intifada created real tensions within the army, as soldiers refused to be used to gun down children and sparked a massive peace movement amongst the general population.

All the arguments of the left revolve around party ideology. All happily accept the artificial divisions created in the twentieth century by the very imperialists that they claim to oppose, and all ignore the actual people – Spanish, English, Palestinian, Israeli, Lebanese, Druse, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Bedouin - who live there. Re-jigging the lines on a map will create new oppressions, new grievances and new horrors, and we as revolutionaries should have no part in assisting that.

We should stand shoulder to shoulder with those struggling against the oppressors of the Spanish state and the Palestinian bantustan. We fight against our 'own' rulers who attempt to use this slaughter to their own ends and use measly words 'condemning the violence' whilst writing out the receipts for the latest arms contract.

Any state solution is a continuation of the same bullshit.

No Borders
No States
No Gods
No War but the Class War
 
have they started to check the spellings and punctuation in the cw publication/s or are these considered weighty tools of trot/capitalist/etc oppression?
 
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