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GarveyLives

Well-Known Member
On 2 November 2017, 17 year-old Michael Jonas became the 16th teenager to be stabbed to death in the capital this year, when he was stabbed to death in Betts Park, Penge.

Police were called to Betts Park at 7.22pm and found Michael suffering from multiple stab wounds.

Michael, who lived locally, was pronounced dead at the scene just after 8.15pm. A post-mortem confirmed the cause of death as stab wounds to the chest and haemorrhage.

Mike Jonas, Michael’s dad, said: “That park is his back yard, so close to where he was born. That’s the park we would have taken him and his sister - that’s where he would ride his bike.

“The last time I spoke to Michael he said he doesn’t want to be in Penge anymore."

Mr Jonas said Michael told him he thought it was 'dangerous'.


“He was the kind of boy that if a fight started he would be the one who would tell the other boys to stop.

“He was in no gang, and he was no gangster. He was supportive and loved by everyone around here - everyone loved Michael.”

Michael spent his whole life in Penge, going to nearby James Dixon Primary School and fixing the bikes of his friends.

His dad said: “He loved to fix things like mechanical stuff, cars, bikes, phones he could fix everything. He was a future mechanic.”

When he went to Harris Academy in Beckenham for secondary school, he used to play the drums alongside his younger sister for school football matches.

Now though he leaves behind three brothers and two sisters who still live near the park where their brother was killed.

Mike said: “I was on my way coming out here when this was unfolding, I only got the phone call when I was on the bus.

“What we are experiencing now is terrible.

“People should start feeling free to inform the police that they see someone carrying a knife.”


On 9 November 2017, a 16 year-old boy and a 17 year-old boy, neither of whom can be identified for legal reasons, were charged with murder.


Anyone with information about this incident should call the incident room on 020 8721 4622 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
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Anyone with information about this incident should call the incident room on 020 8721 4622 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
 

Paninaro71

New Member
Sad to see that Calabash of Culture is closing on Sydenham High Street; it was always nice being able to pop out and get a vegan lunch. And in the other news I'm guessing we're getting a craft beer shop (Bottlecave) in the new building opposite Calabash?
 

Maggot

The Cake of Liberty
Sad to see that Calabash of Culture is closing on Sydenham High Street; it was always nice being able to pop out and get a vegan lunch. And in the other news I'm guessing we're getting a craft beer shop (Bottlecave) in the new building opposite Calabash?
Do you know when it's closing? I would like to go there before it does.
 

Guineveretoo

Mostly bewildered
Same person owned the cheese and beer shop as well, which has also closed down.

Strange as I saw a lot of people banging on about how good S&P was.
Rumours are that Good Taste - the cheese and beer shop - was forcibly entered and closed down by the bailiffs and that the other business suffered as a consequence of the losses from that.

It is a shame because they were both popular businesses, and Salt and Pickle had opened up in premises which had been boarded up, but the message from the business owner was that they just couldn't keep it running.

There is lots of talk about how the rents on the triangle are getting silly and driving out independents. South of the River was an excellent shop which has closed down recently because of rent hikes.
 

Guineveretoo

Mostly bewildered
Although the two businesses were on opposite sides of the road, so one was in Croydon and one in Lambeth! Not sure if that is relevant, though.
 

gaijingirl

Well-Known Member
oh I hadn't realised that cheese shop has closed down. I used to occasionally get the best gouda in the world from there.

I went yesterday with some of my students to The French House and I believe she is also going to be closing down soon.
 

Guineveretoo

Mostly bewildered
So why are they quitting?
Because the owners were in financial difficulties when they started, seemingly.

it all seems a bit unbusinesslike actually, because they closed Salt and Pickle a few months after opening it, saying they were rethinking their business model, and that they were reopening it with a different focus.

"And WE ARE OPEN!! We have a refined menu, new and improved core wine list, new deli section, plus our own house pickles, chutneys, preserves,and sauces."

That was on 12 January. People commented at the time how odd it was that they closed just before Christmas, and missed out on all the holiday stuff.

In fact, I have just seen a post that they put up on 4 February, urging people to come down and visit them, but they closed suddenly on 5 February!.

"We’re very sorry to announce we are closing with immediate effect. We did our best to try and rescue the business, but unfortunately it wasn’t enough. Thank you so much for all your support."

Apparently, it was really busy on Saturday night, and everyone I know who has been there, including my daughter, says it was great.

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Guineveretoo

Mostly bewildered
oh I hadn't realised that cheese shop has closed down. I used to occasionally get the best gouda in the world from there.

I went yesterday with some of my students to The French House and I believe she is also going to be closing down soon.
It is all a bit odd and unsatisfactory, we are going to end up with a couple of streets just full of chain coffee shops at this rate :(

Even the pub that used to be the Grape and Grain has been closed down for refurbishment by Wetherspoons.

The triangle is losing its quirkiness :(
 

RubyToogood

can't remember what goes here
There is lots of talk about how the rents on the triangle are getting silly and driving out independents. South of the River was an excellent shop which has closed down recently because of rent hikes.
My understanding was that the owner was just retiring.
I never went to S&P, couldn't see the point of it, not really my thing.
 

Guineveretoo

Mostly bewildered
My understanding was that the owner was just retiring.
I never went to S&P, couldn't see the point of it, not really my thing.
South of the River has another shop in Beckenham or Bromley which is still open.

And the staff told me that they were closing because they couldn’t afford to stay in the Triangle. Although that doesn’t prove much. :)
 

Maggot

The Cake of Liberty
This looks interesting. An evening where you can meet all the voluntary groups who are involved with Crystal Palace Park.


It's tonight.
 

Paninaro71

New Member
Has anyone been to the newly re-opened Greyhound in Sydenham yet? Looks alright from the outside and their sample menu on the website had at least one (seemingly) vegan main course on it, which would keep me happy.

Hopefully it smartens up that corner a bit. Can't have been great for the people living in the flats behind when the pub was derelict.
 

ska invita

back on the other side
If only that corner/roundabout didn't get so much car traffic...Sydenham would be that much nicer. Hadnt noticed pub was open, will pop in soon.
 

colacubes

Well-Known Member
This has just opened up. I think it's a Good Thing



Crystal Palace Library of Things: Now open for borrowing
Was a pop brixton / brixton impact hub spin off idea wasn't it (from Rebecca)?
Yeah I think so. They were in West Norwood by the tip and the Community Shop after that for the past couple of years but have moved which is annoying as they were very conveniently located for me. We had borrowed a lawn mower off them on numerous occasions. Need to buy one now :mad:
 
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