Croydon: Is it really that bad?

[TopCat]

Really,


Croydon town centre has got worse though, more especially since free bus travel for kids and the tram link uniting New Addington to Croydon in minutes.

If only the non deserving poor could be kept in their place eh? I mean that money spent on providing transport for New Addingtonites could have been spent on subsidising the the Warehouse Theatre.

As for encouraging young people to use buses from an early age thus reducing dependancy on cars etc, shocking, must be stopped.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Anyone fancy signing that Croydon Arean petition?

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/CATARENA/

 

[Guineveretoo]

What Arean/arena is this, then?

 

[untethered]

As for encouraging young people to use buses from an early age thus reducing dependancy on cars etc, shocking, must be stopped.

I'd be more inclined to encourage young people to walk and cycle from an early age rather than drop the price of public transport to zero for them so that they demand far, far more of it than they would if it even carried a modest price.

Children do not drive cars. Making public transport more attractive to them means that they switch from modes of transport that are better for their health and the environment.

There's no serious likelihood that free public transport for children is likely to have a significant effect on their travel behaviour as adults, once they have to pay for public transport and can legally drive.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

What Arean/arena is this, then?

This one.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=223566


It's quite the 'hot thread' in the protest forums.

 

[Dan U]

ground work is imminently starting by the looks of it Suplex.

bit of a lost cause i fear

 

[sir.clip]

Got no soul now, I’m afraid.

Dont be affraid.. Croydons got soul..

Home of Dubstep, Fairfield halls, Beanos records, The gun tavern, Croydon annual free festival in fantastic Lloyd park with acts like Roy ayes, Jimmy cliff & De La Soul + Croydon Mela asain spectacular..
Pedestrian shopping areas, sports stores, home stores, clothing stores, pet stores, Surry street Market, A tram service to wonderfulll Mitcham And beyond, Multi cultural living in an suburban eden, Over 120 parks & open spaces, Street performers, The clock tower cafe, a museum, History, the dog & bull Inn, cobbled streets, Ambala sweets, halal butchers, bicycle shops galore, Court rooms, a fly over, A college, People, children, cats & dogs..

Croydons got Soul, Plenty plenty soul....

 

[Guineveretoo]

Croydon town centre has got worse though, more especially since free bus travel for kids and the tram link uniting New Addington to Croydon in minutes.

Free bus travel for kids is a nightmare, imho, because the lazy buggers jump onto passing buses just to go one stop or two, thereby filling up said bus so that those of us who want to go a bit further get stuck at bus stops!

I think it is a great idea, and it might have cut down on the school run of cars, but it drives me crazy!

Also, they get together in gaggles and gangs and they are dead noisy!

Ooh, I am such a grumpy old woman

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

ground work is imminently starting by the looks of it Suplex.

bit of a lost cause i fear

You see this is what I don't get. An eight week public enquiry into the Arena has only just started and they don't even have any planning permission. In fact they have already had planning permission rejected.

Yet they they are just getting on with it anyway. Barstards.

 

[Callie]

Dont be affraid.. Croydons got soul..

Home of Dubstep, Fairfield halls, Beanos records, The gun tavern, Croydon annual free festival in fantastic Lloyd park with acts like Roy ayes, Jimmy cliff & De La Soul + Croydon Mela asain spectacular..
Pedestrian shopping areas, sports stores, home stores, clothing stores, pet stores, Surry street Market, A tram service to wonderfulll Mitcham And beyond, Multi cultural living in an suburban eden, Over 120 parks & open spaces, Street performers, The clock tower cafe, a museum, History, the dog & bull Inn, cobbled streets, Ambala sweets, halal butchers, bicycle shops galore, Court rooms, a fly over, A college, People, children, cats & dogs..

Croydons got Soul, Plenty plenty soul....

I really cant tell if youre taking the piss!

fairfield halls = soul

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I really cant tell if youre taking the piss!

fairfield halls = soul

I think he has a point. Croydon has felt more like a comunity to me than anywhere else I have lived in london bar prehaps Ealing.

it gets a bad rap for the shit bits, but there are lots of good things that nobody hears about outside of the area.

 

[sir.clip]

I really cant tell if youre taking the piss!

fairfield halls = soul

Listen!

At Fairfield halls in the next few months you got, Soweto gospel choir, Prince Buster, The Blues band, Geno washington & Eddie floyd, The magic of Mowtown...

Alexandra o-neil has played there so has coollio & too many gospel & R&B singers streching back decades.. So yes!!! Croydon has soul.. & No I aint taking the piss...

 

[London_Calling]

Free bus travel for kids is a nightmare, imho, because the lazy buggers jump onto passing buses just to go one stop or two, thereby filling up said bus so that those of us who want to go a bit further get stuck at bus stops!

I think it is a great idea, and it might have cut down on the school run of cars, but it drives me crazy!

Also, they get together in gaggles and gangs and they are dead noisy!

Ooh, I am such a grumpy old woman

The only solution I've found - and this goes back a long time before free bus travel for the yoof cos it wasn't so great then, either - is to treat 3.00-4.30pm as an absolutely no-go time. It's another country now, and I won't be tempted at any price.

 

[London_Calling]

Listen!

At Fairfield halls in the next few months you got, Soweto gospel choir, Prince Buster, The Blues band, Geno washington & Eddie floyd, The magic of Mowtown...

Alexandra o-neil has played there so has coollio & too many gospel & R&B singers streching back decades.. So yes!!! Croydon has soul.. & No I aint taking the piss...

Some of that is fair enough, but sometimes I look at the upcoming turns and I feel like I'm on a Med cruise with 2,000 Blackpool landladies.

 

[hipipol]

Croydon - Garden City of Tomorrow

 

[Callie]

Some of that is fair enough, but sometimes I look at the upcoming turns and I feel like I'm on a Med cruise with 2,000 Blackpool landladies.

I went to see Sean Hughes on wednesday the glen miller band were also on that night

nah i like croydon, just not sure that the fairfield halls has anything to do with the 'soul' of the place

 

[Streathamite]

Croydon - Garden City of Tomorrow

it would certainly help if the whole place were knocked down, dug up and replaced by landscape gardening

 

[Gavin Bl]

treat 3.00-4.30pm as an absolutely no-go time.

Its not that bad, but it is pretty crap, loads of shops all the same, armies of school kids, and confused old people. I was there the other day at that time, it was pretty depressing and alienating.

 

[Guineveretoo]

The only solution I've found - and this goes back a long time before free bus travel for the yoof cos it wasn't so great then, either - is to treat 3.00-4.30pm as an absolutely no-go time. It's another country now, and I won't be tempted at any price.

For me, it's the morning rushhour which causes me real upset. Watching buses sailing past, knowing that they are only full of lazy yoofs who will be getting off in a couple of stops, is really annoying.

Bastard yoof, I say.

 

[London_Calling]

Its not that bad, but it is pretty crap, loads of shops all the same, armies of school kids, and confused old people. I was there the other day at that time, it was pretty depressing and alienating.

Fwiw, on that point I wasn't talking specifically of Croydon - just a general policy I have in relation to buses between 3 and 4.30pm.



The morning rush hours are another country regadless of school children. No fucking chance

 

[Gavin Bl]

Fwiw, on that point I wasn't talking specifically of Croydon - just a general policy I have in relation to buses between 3 and 4.30pm.

The morning rush hours are another country regadless of school children. No fucking chance

Fair enough, its just double bad in Croydon

 

[han]

Croydon is great BTW. Brilliant parks, great shopping, loads of places to eat and go out, trams, post modern architechture, the wonderful Fairfield Halls, the picturesque Leon House, the amazing Red Lion in Coulsdon, the wonderfully preserved Croydon Airport, the legions of engineering factories on the Purley way, Brighton only half an hour away, tuppence a pint etc...

I have changed my opinion of Croydon actually, having recently discovered it. Before I'd only driven through it, and consequently thought it was hideous. But recently I've explored it on foot and it's ok! It's loads more convenient for shopping than central London if you live on the edges of Brixton/Streatham, being only 15 mins on the train from Streatham Hill station. That massive shopping centre has everything.

If you explore a little bit and don't just take it at face value with the dreadful reputation it has, there are quite a lot of hidden gems and history. The Croydon Museum is excellent - we went there on a workshy. There are loads of restaurants and indian foodstores on the road to Croydon from Norbury onwards, and it's close to the countryside, and of course Brighton.

It's not stunning by any means, and I wouldn't want to hang out in the centre of Croydon of a night, but it'd be an ok place to live especially if your social life is based in Central London and you didn't hang out there all the time.

 

[London_Calling]

/\ Well yeah, that makes for a nice n'busy awayday, but then you go home. Try waking up there a few times*

















*exaggerated for effect.

 

[hitechlolife]

I spent most of my teenage years & most of my 20's hanging around in Croydon (Lived in Wallington) i've been living in Hackney for the past 3 years so the Croydon days seem tame in comparison. Interstingly, Croydon seems to get a bad rep but i've seen much more aggro in nearby Sutton.

 

[Gavin Bl]

I spent most of my teenage years & most of my 20's hanging around in Croydon (Lived in Wallington) i've been living in Hackney for the past 3 years so the Croydon days seem tame in comparison. Interstingly, Croydon seems to get a bad rep but i've seen much more aggro in nearby Sutton.

I hated living in Sutton, I think I might have mentioned it already on this thread - everyone seemed angry all the time. And you would just run and hide if England were playing...

 

[hitechlolife]

everyone seemed angry all the time. And you would just run and hide if England were playing...

Spot on Gavin, total shit hole. I've seen some of the most sickening violence in Sutton High Street.

 

[Gavin Bl]

Spot on Gavin, total shit hole. I've seen some of the most sickening violence in Sutton High Street.

Yes, I lived there at the time of the Euro 96 football, and a really nice Spanish restaurant and a quite a nice Irish-theme pub were smashed up when England went out. Pretty much as soon as the shops shut it was just really unpleasant. A man was beaten virtually to death outside our flat one night, by his 'friend'.

And I couldn't particularly work out why it was like this, I've lived in Enfield and know Croydon, so I'm used to that slightly lairy edge of London, boy racer, type of place, but Sutton was just horrible - apparently reasonably affluent, but just so unpleasant...

 

[metalguru]

and that's wrong because.... ?

Because what the hell is the whole of Bradford or Nottingham doing right next to Central London?

 

[London_Calling]

I think it just goes with the territory. All of those twilight-zone shopping towns that surround the metropolis are pretty similar, Bexley and Dartford, Bromley, Croydon, Sutton, Kingston - you can join the dots up. They're the epitome of the weekend teenage drinking culture as seen on numerous cctv-based tv shoes.

 

[Farmer Giles]

Is Big Apple records still there? Remembered from my breif dallience into hardcore.

No, John closed the shop down 3 years ago now. Big shame.