Discussion in 'Brixton' started by boohoo, Jan 29, 2008.
Not sure about that.
I'm amazed people can be entirely cash-based these days (not even using credit union etc)
When I was on benefits I used to try and use cash for most things. When you are on means tested benefits you are asked for bank statements every now and again and these are copied and filed - I think it is a gross invasion of privacy for state institutions and their staff to see everything I spend my money on. And the first person to say the words 'nothing to hide' gets a slap
Indeed. If you're using credit cards/contactless then all your purchases are recorded and mapped.
Many people have a basic post office account, with a basic card you can use to withdraw your cash but not for payments in store or online/by phone.
Yeah I know, but according to retro's link, of those that don't have a bank account....
It's the 27% that amaze me
Quite. Some of us who are at times economically challenged aren't keen on having what we spend our money on recorded.
Also my debit card has fifty pounds limit on it for one transaction. For large items I pay cash. Like I did recently for my fridge. I don't see how cashless society is going to work for less well off.
I thought free market capitalism was supported because its about freedom of choice unlike evil socialism.
Can someone explain to me why coercing people into cashless society is compatible with free market capitalism.
Good point. Like I said above cashless society is going to cause people headaches.
I pay my Council tax ,rent and bills in cash at a paypoint. And I don't think that makes me that unusual. I avoid direct debits.
Take your point if you mean big business fleeces the little shopkeeper.
Same with paying with card in small shop. I know a few who won't accept card below a certain amount.
Another thing about cashless society is that the big boys in financial sector realise they can cream off money with spurious transaction charges on using a card. Which the ordinary people pay. Its not fault of small shopkeeper.
I was in a shop a while ago and they demanded a hefty surcharge for using my card when I wanted to to buy some low value items.
One of the best recent examples of the success of cashless society is bailing out the banks. Quantitative easing was handing the people who caused the crisis free money. It didn't seem like that as it was all done electronically.
The sight of wheelbarrows of money trundling down the City to save the bankers might have driven it home to people that they were being screwed.
So cashless society is great idea.
I thought this had been outlawed as almost all shops have stopped doing it
What led you to believe that the capitalism we live is free marketeer? One does not presume the other.
Yeah you are not allowed to do that
Credit and debit card charges banned from Saturday - what you need to know
That's good to know. It was around Christmas, so just before the rip off charges were rightfully banned.
TBH the price of a pint in there will have already excluded the poor way more effectively than a cards only policy will. You can see it having more impact when this sort of thing spreads elsewhere though so I think it's fair to be concerned.
Funny how this pub was largely seen as non-gentrifying when it opened.
They seemed to change tack fairly rapidly after opening. Don't they have DJs there now too?
It's always been a bit exclusive but a big change happened when the side street was pedestrianised, and the the same owners opened the trendy Indian on the opposite corner, (I also have it on good authority they built the moderne house by the park entrance). In effect this changed the street into a private beer garden. The pub is a magnet for people with plenty of disposable in an area that still has social problems, the outside seating is a place where some people will sometimes come asking for loose change. Now if I am able I give change to such people, or if not at least try to treat them as human beings rather than inconveniences or worse. When the pub is cashless I reckon the flow of loose change will dry up and those people will decide to go elsewhere thereby solving another "problem" that may have caused the monied some distress....I reckon if it was legal to gate it they would...
Totally agree, this pub that has decided to introduce this "Card" only policy is located in the Vassall Ward.
IIRC, the Vassall Ward is one of the most deprived wards in Lambeth. I use to rent a flat on the Cowley Estate off the Council many years ago. It's a 5 minute walk from this pub. The area was really deprived back then. I have been back to the area recently a few times to visit friends, although the area has changed a bit...it still has that deprived feel. I can't understand how a pub in this area or any area in Lambeth can introduce such as "Policy" like this.
went in here last night (not my idea), surly staff who gave off the distinct impression of being mightily inconvenienced at selling you an expensive pint. One of them kept following me to the toilet, presumably took one look at me and decided i was a coke head. Out of all the pubs in the area, this is probably my least favourite.
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