Crown and Anchor pub, Brixton Road, Brixton - chat and news

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by boohoo, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Hashtags and social media accounts are extremely common across all kinds pubs and venues, including many that no-one here or elsewhere would describe as catering for the well off or trying to drive off the well less-off.

    If a place like The Beehive or The Dog Star or Hootanani writes about an upcoming gig or promotion on a blackboard, or a poster in the toilets, and include a hashtag or simply asks the reader to check their website for further details, is that any different? The great many people who can't afford a smartphone will surely feel as unwanted/ redundant as those in your scenario.

    Hell, Wetherspoons now have an app that allows you to order drinks and food from your table and have them delivered to you. I suspect Spoons customers who can't afford a smartphone will feel far more unwanted and Being treated as second class by their local when they see other patrons avoid queues at the bar and have their pint delivered to them while they have to do it the old fashioned way, than any poor patrons of the C&A would feel at the sight of that hashtag. So in your view it'd be fair to say Wetherspoons are discriminating against the poor or trying to change their client demographic?
     
  2. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I suppose this is true. If you drift into the Beehive on Friday or Saturday night after about 9 pm you wouldn't get seat at a table anyway - so how does online ordering help? (unless you are one of those people who like to get your seat early and stay all night)
     
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  3. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Yet so many bars and businesses have managed to flourish without forcing their customers into using a payment which just suits them.
     
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  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    So why aren't you rallying to support the disenfranchised 'some' who will inconvenienced and excluded by this move?

    Surely they matter more than the privileged majority?
     
  5. Ms T

    Ms T Honey-coloured ramparts

    I often feel that bar and restaurant staff are somewhat surprised these days when you proffer cash. They’ve normally already got the card machine out.
     
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  6. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    Surely everyone is equal?
     
  7. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro Beware hedgehogs

    I’m in Stockholm a lot and you see these signs everywhere, in bars shops and museums. In places that do accept cash it’s hardly used anyway. I don’t ever carry krona.

    I think it works better there because infrastructure for it is better. Tech like iZettle and another app (whose name I forget) that allows you to swap money with somebody else with the app are widely adopted. There is no minimum spend bollox.

    There is a bit of a backlash going on at the moment. It’s mainly driven because it effects the elderly but it’s too late now, Sweden will be cashless in the next 10 years I expect.

    I don’t see it happening here as soon as that but it’s definitely coming.
     
  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I like using cash. Its anonymous. Leaves no trail of data. It should be an option for people. I use an Oyster card for public transport but I've never registered it. So its like using cash.
     
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  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Except those who haven't got a credit/debit card, of course. They get excluded and turned away from places.
     
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  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I think that very much depends on what type of bar and restaurant you're at.
     
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  11. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    In which case they should get a debit card. Problem solved!
     
  12. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro Beware hedgehogs

    Some interesting stats here: Financial Health Exchange

    Wrong thread for this discussion I guess but it’s an interesting one.
     
  13. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Well it underlines the fact that any establishment refusing to accept cash is excluding the poorest members of the community.

     
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  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Take Loughborough Junction. I use the local paypoint for bills and to top up my gas. Like most people I see in the shop its all cash payments.
     
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  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    One of the arguments behind cashless society is that it will reduce crime. This is nonsense.

    Take this:

    Fraud fears rise as cashless society nears

    The cashless society will need to bring in further erosions to privacy. Next biometric tests as standard.

    Who really benefits from cashless society? Not the consumer. I thought the idea of capitalism was that consumer was king and everyone had choices about how and when they spent money. Not so with cashless society. Banks, big data, government are the winners.
     
  16. Ms T

    Ms T Honey-coloured ramparts

    Most people do have a bank account though.
     
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  17. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    About 95%
     
  18. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro Beware hedgehogs

    Apparently about 1.5m people in the UK have no bank account. I wonder how many of those don’t have one because they can’t get one?

    As we become more cashless those without a debit card because they can’t get one can’t be left out. The infrastructure needs to be put in place to allow those without a debit card to use cashless shops etc. if they want to.
     
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  19. aka

    aka Brixton Hill

    Paypoint is cash based as 1) they charge a huge amount on card to the retail outlet v cash and/or 2) someone worked out they can game it. I am asked for cash every time. To recap: the shops are driving it, not the punters.
     
  20. aka

    aka Brixton Hill

    I agree. If you can’t get one you should not be left out. So; preload cards, oyster+, cash2card
     
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  21. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro Beware hedgehogs

    Retailers hate Paypoint. Expensive for them and slow.
     
  22. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    It's no just about the elderly, it's also that they're scared shitless that if they go properly cashless that they'll be vulnerable to Russian hacking. An electronic payment dominated society is simply less resilient than one that still uses cash.
     
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  23. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    And the beneficiaries from this transition are not the consumer.

    Alex
     
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  24. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Not most consumers for sure.
     
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  25. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro Beware hedgehogs

    Yes agree. But the talk is around mitigation of risks for when they do go cashless. Moving back towards increased cash use isn’t going to happen.
     
  26. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    I read today it is 98%
     
  27. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    Can you still get pay as you go Mastercards? They used to be all over the shops.
     
  28. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    It's a risky move to go cashless - they might rethink this if takings are reduced. I have noticed less cash being used in pubs but it must still be a significant figure.
     
  29. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    I think generally people spend more when using cards

    Credit Cards Make You Spend More: Studies - NerdWallet
     
  30. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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