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Favourite Cronenberg Film?


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gnoriac said:
Difficult choice between Shivers, Videodrome and Dead Ringers. Hmmmm...

Like to see him do another film based on a Ballard book, I reckon there's a natural affinity between their work.
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I find Cronenberg slightly overrated and don't think that most of his films are as profound as his supporters make them out to be. That's not to say he hasn't made any grood films. I really like The Brood, The Dead Zone, Crash and The Fly, the last one being genuine masterpiece of horror cinema.
 
For what seems like the first time ever, I'm in agreement with Akirajoel about Existenz - it's not just disappointing but a very bad film. A proper B movie, ie shit
 
In Bloom said:
Same here actually.

I don't see what's so objectionable about Existenz myself, it was alright, anyway, even if the multiple "They're out of the game, no wait, they're still in the game, no, in fact, they were in another game which simulated the game where they went into a game" hi-jinks stuff was a little tiresome and cliche.
Well, exactly - that's what makes it so shit - I don't understand why people like this film - it's shit SHIT SHIT!
People whose judgment I usually respect like this film - it baffles me why
 
Orang Utan said:
Well, exactly - that's what makes it so shit - I don't understand why people like this film - it's shit SHIT SHIT!
People whose judgment I usually respect like this film - it baffles me why

Style over content?
 
It's not even stylish - it's not even worth analysing - it's just shit and that's all there is to say about it.
 
Not really seen many of them.

Videodrome seems to be the height of what he tries to do; make weird films that blur fantasy and reality until you don't know which is which.
 
Orang Utan said:
It's not even stylish - it's not even worth analysing - it's just shit and that's all there is to say about it.
I think it must depend a bit on your expectations. It's not a 'deep' film, it doesn't have anything particularly interesting to say. It's entertaining though and perhaps you don't like the style, but I thought it looked cool. I wasn't looking for anything more than that.
 
Aside from 'Crash' (which was a bit lame) and 'Spider' and 'A History Of Violence' (which I haven't seen) there is no such thing as a bad Cronenberg film. How it goes IMO:

1) 'Dead Ringers'
2) 'Scanners'
3) 'The Dead Zone'
4) 'The Fly'
5) 'Shivers'
6) 'Rabid'
7) 'Videodrome'
8) 'eXistenZ'
9) 'Naked Lunch'
10) 'The Brood'
11) 'M Butterfly'
12) 'Crash'

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Multiple votes should be allowed.
I really liked Dead Ringers but few people seem to have seen it.
Existenz was lots of fun.
The Fly was the first one I saw, after seeing the original on BBC2 a few weeks prior. Took me a while to get into, but loved the idea of being a scientist left alone to get on with things.
Think I’ve seen Naked Lunch, but was well out of my gourd.
Crash was fun, seeing two whole rows walk out of the cinema in disgust at the idea of a disabled person having sex…
No, actually saw The Dead Zone first. Found Christopher Walken’s performance really interesting because there was this menace that didn’t fit with the script.
I wasn’t that keen on Scanners.
Loved A History Of Violence.
Videodrome is barking but can’t remember much as was v high when I watched it, like with Naked Lunch.
 
The Brood, my favourite Cronenberg film, didn't even make the poll. Back then it was overshadowed by the more commercially successful, Scanners which got a lot of traction due to its exploding head poster. The Brood is a superior film in every way and I think it's one of the best horror films of the 70s. The Fly comes a close second, a great mash-up of gross body horror and genuinely affecting love story.

The new one looks like a return of mid-period Cronenberg, especially Videodrome, Naked Lunch & Existenz.
 
I mostly find The Fly to be a dark comedy.
Have I got that wrong?
It has aspects of that as well, mostly because Seth Brundle maintains the detached quality of a scientist in response to his own mental and physical disintegration. It's also the tragedy of someone having to watch the person they love get very sick and then die, which was especially poignant considering the film came out at the height of when HIV/AIDS firstly hit the public conscience. Both leads give deeply committed performances. Geena Davis certainly doesn't go for laughs, she isn't scared of the monster, she's terrified of what's happening to the man she loves.
 
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It has aspects of that as well, mostly because Seth Brundle maintains the detached quality of a scientist in response to his own mental and physical disintegration. ItÄs also the tragedy of someone having watching the person they love get very sick and then die, which was especially poignant considering the film came out at the height of when HIV/AIDS firstly hit the public conscience. Both leads give deeply committed performances. Geena Davis certainly doesn't go for laughs, she isn't scared of the monster, she's terrified of what's happening to the man she loves.

Yeah, those performances are both great.
I also loved in Dead Ringers how Jeremy Irons somehow manages to make the twins even look different.

Apparently when playing Beverly he always walked and stood on his heels, and for Elliot always on his toes (Elliot was half an inch taller iirc).

And that amazing tracking shot through the hospital. I don’t want to spoil things by looking up how they did that.
 
Yeah, those performances are both great.
I also loved in Dead Ringers how Jeremy Irons somehow manages to make the twins even look different.

Apparently when playing Beverly he always walked and stood on his heels, and for Elliot always on his toes (Elliot was half an inch taller iirc).

And that amazing tracking shot through the hospital. I don’t want to spoil things by looking up how they did that.
I only saw that once when it came out. Like a lot of Cronenberg's work, its a very cold film and it didn't really click with me, apart from the visuals and the performances. Should maybe give it another what one day.
 
I only saw that once when it came out. Like a lot of Cronenberg's work, its a very cold film and it didn't really click with me, apart from the visuals and the performances. Should maybe give it another what one day.

Yeah, “cold” is a good way of putting it. I recorded it on VHS one random afternoon and must have watched it six times and maybe once or twice when it was shown again.
I think it was on the tape after The Terminator and Aliens back when you could record at double density, so was a little outside the kilter of other things I liked to watch at that age.
 
Naked Lunch is a masterpiece IMO
-translating the book into a film narrative is no mean feat and I think it was done masterfully
-production values/sets/mugwumps etc etc are beautiful and visionary
-acting is pitch perfect across the board
-overall effect is entertaining where it has no right to be
-soundtrack is gold, jazz meets classical, ideally suits the mood (howard shore + Ornette coleman)
...one of those films where the collaborative effort of many many talented people multiplies massively

great film...i hope it holds up!
 
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