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Crna Gora - Independence for Montenegro, the end of Yugoslavia

Poi E said:
Let CG pretend to be independent. Let them all into the EU in an act of "sorry, we really fucked up with you guys back then".

Jacques Poos, EU foreign policy supremo as Vukovar kicked off in 1991: "The hour of Europe has come."
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Aye, they'll be as independent as Andorra is from its neighbours.
 
Interesting

Those who supported maintaining a union with Serbia urged restraint and calm, but refused to acknowledge defeat until the complete official results were announced. Ethnic Serbs make up 30 percent of Montenegro's population, and many opposed separation from Serbia.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/05/23/montenegro.final.ap/
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According to Liberation, the Montenegrin authorities have already been in talks with the EU.

Here's what Djukanovic said (apols for it being in French)

«Je suis convaincu qu'après la Bulgarie, la Roumanie et la Croatie, le Monténégro sera la prochaine étape de l'Union européenne dans la région.»
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http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=384218

In other words, he's convinced that Crna Gora, a state roughly the size of the London Borough of Ealing, will become the next member of the EU right behind Romania and Bulgaria. Interstingly enough, Andorra has never applied for EU membership to my recollection and neither has Leichtenstein, both countries are protected by their larger neighbours and both countries rely on their neighbours for foreign affairs and defence.
 
Montenegro is not Andorra, though, is it? The union with Serbia was not working for Montenegrin people. If this referendum is approved, a pressing worry for me is the consequential problem of the future for Kosovo.
 
It would presumably make a very great deal of sense for those Montenegrans who want to be indepedent to be part of the EU; big subsidies, protection against elements within the rest of the former Yugoslavia who aren't so happy with the breakup etc,
 
liampreston said:
Montenegro is not Andorra, though, is it? The union with Serbia was not working for Montenegrin people. If this referendum is approved, a pressing worry for me is the consequential problem of the future for Kosovo.
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It's a similar size and like all tiny countries it will have to engage with a larger neighbour for all sorts of things. While I noticed you picked up on Andorra, you completely ignored Leichtenstein. Why?
 
Neither Andorra nor Liechtenstein are in any way comparable with Montenegro. Andorra is not independent, but has the King of Spain, and the President of France as it's joint Heads of State, while Liechtenstein, while nominally independent is actually completely tied into the economy of Switzerland, another small country, but one which has not chosen to join the EU.
 
nino_savatte said:
In other words, he's convinced that Crna Gora, a state roughly the size of the London Borough of Ealing, will become the next member of the EU right behind Romania and Bulgaria.
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This referendum was about the future prospects of Montenegro anyway. The yes vote prevailed bcos of MNs longterm economic and political interests and the fact that more people voted on the basis of the future rather than the past represented by its ties with Serbia.

MN is separating today for the same reason it decided to stay with Serbia in 1992 - the political "capital" it gains is much bigger than if it were the other way around. The previous status was bringing more harm than good and they decided for a u-turn. this was encouraged by Brussels which signalled that MN will become a member of the EU much easier if it gets rid of the Serbian ballast. cooperation with the Hague for instance stops being an issue for MN from now on.

a tiny MS is a far more attractive potential EU member than a considerably larger Serbia bcos a relatively small amount of aid will have a faster and clearer impact on the country.

however, it's obvious that the country is deeply divided on the issue and lacks the wide consensus demonstrated in all other ex-yu countries.
 
I know it's the BBC, but [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5005344.stm] shows how the initial independence of Montenegro will be difficult: Serbia inherits the UN seat and automatic international statehood regonition. Serbia must, as said above, sort out the status of Kosovo, its attitude towards helping the EU and War Crimes Courts with regards to war criminals and its relationship with other Balkan states, but it will be Montenegro who will need to walk the hard route to statehood from scratch.
 
Any takers? Serbia? The demonised nation? The country that, according to some ill-informed folk, is the main protagonist in the Yugoslav wars. I think that those who constantly demonise Serbia and ignore the nationalistic excesses of Croatia under Tudjman are not only dishonest but are the sorts of people who believed that the "Hun raped nuns" in Belgium in WWI.
 
nino_savatte said:
Any takers? Serbia? The demonised nation? The country that, according to some ill-informed folk, is the main protagonist in the Yugoslav wars. I think that those who constantly demonise Serbia and ignore the nationalistic excesses of Croatia under Tudjman are not only dishonest but are the sorts of people who believed that the "Hun raped nuns" in Belgium in WWI.
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No-one doubts the complicity of Tudjman in Milosovich's criminal war.
 
nino_savatte said:
Why is this sad, auld fucker following me around? I've got the cunt on ignore, isn't that good enough?
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When you asked, "Any Takers", you didn't add except Lock&Light. Wouldn't have made any difference of course as I will continue to post as and when I choose.
 
nino_savatte said:
Any takers? Serbia? The demonised nation? The country that, according to some ill-informed folk, is the main protagonist in the Yugoslav wars. I think that those who constantly demonise Serbia and ignore the nationalistic excesses of Croatia under Tudjman are not only dishonest but are the sorts of people who believed that the "Hun raped nuns" in Belgium in WWI.
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Serbia may not have been the main protagonist but I welcome the freedom of the people of Montenegro and hope Serbia is able to support their new independent neighbours.

I am sure we all regonise that Croatia and Serbia have not been entirely co-operative with the international community in relation to the ongoing war crimes investigations.
 
nino_savatte said:
Well, that leaves the question of what happens to the already demonised Serbia.
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What happens is that now Serbia can finally start focusing on Serbia proper. After 15 years of spending its resources on other countries and fighting wars on foreign territories or subsidising a highly dependant Montenegrin economy, it's now time for focusing on restructuring the country and making it a proper East European leading hub as it rightfully should be.

Serbia has a huge potential of becoming a regional leader but it has to resolve its issues, mainly war crimes and extreme nationalism.

This is why the results were not only accepted but warmly welcomed in Serbia.
 
Cadmus said:
What happens is that now Serbia can finally start focusing on Serbia proper. After 15 years of spending its resources on other countries and fighting wars on foreign territories or subsidising a highly dependant Montenegrin economy, it's now time for focusing on restructuring the country and making it a proper East European leading hub as it rightfully should be.

Serbia has a huge potential of becoming a regional leader but it has to resolve its issues, mainly war crimes and extreme nationalism.

This is why the results were not only accepted but warmly welcomed in Serbia.
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Serbia has also been eyed by greedy western businesses...as was the rest of Yugoslavia, post WWII. Though, Serbia's case is rather different to the rest of the former republics - is it not?
 
nino_savatte said:
Interesting



According to Liberation, the Montenegrin authorities have already been in talks with the EU.
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they had been in talks with the EU for some time, the recent talks (between EU & Serbia & Montengro) were dual talks to an extent, separate bits with Serbia & separate bits with Montenegro, hence the nail in the coffin of the state union when the deadline for handing over mladic passed and the talks were cut off, cutting montenegro talks with it, and pushing enough people to vote for independence

or some such
 
Freedom to the people of Vojvodina! Let them unite with Slavonian Magyars! And freedom to the people of the Sandzak while we're at it.

Independence for Kosovo is highly inconsistent with the policy of maintaining the borders of the SFRY republics.
 
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