lighterthief
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Good news for all Critical Massers in London. The next Critical Mass is this Friday.
Critical Mass is legal, says High Court
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corporate whore
oh, thought you were dead
That's a good bit of news.. kudos to Des Kay for bringing the action! 
craigxcraig
Prefers 'cxc'
I did comment on the CM list yesterday though I think it was passed by. Do you think the police will continue to attend or do you think they will now let us look after ourselves, like the FNS crew? Great news mind and really looking forward to Friday' sride!!!
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Wicked 
Might well get off my sorry ass on Friday and get along for CM(altho i'm sure there is the next round of the WC at same time 
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Might well get off my sorry ass on Friday and get along for CM(altho i'm sure there is the next round of the WC at same time )lostexpectation
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craigxcraig said:
I reckon the police will continue to attend which is still a huge problem imho
lighterthief
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Why?lostexpectation said:
I think you'll find they will be there.craigxcraig said:
They have an obligation to take all reasonable steps to ensure the safety of the public (both on CM and the rest) during any large scale public event.
detective-boy said:
I used to organise a CM in South London in the 90s. It got up to a few hundred once but more usually was around 30 to 50. The police used to withdraw their protection at key points in the ride and we'd usually end up with a few cyclists being assaulted by motorists.
For that reason alone, I don't think the police presence is a bad thing. However, there is an aggressive element within the CM police presence. I've seen people pushed over by plod and run into by police bikes. I had a bad experience recently when the ride came to a halt by Euston Station. I was at the back and a constable got out of a van and came over and started pushing his weight around. He pushed a few people off their bikes, and then started on me. I expalined I couldn;t move because I was at the back and had nowhere to go. He got shirty and threatened to arrest me. I moved forward an inch and he grabbed me to pull me off my bike. He actually said I was under arrest. Then the mass in front of me started moving - I said, OK - I can go now, and he let me go.
On every ride there's an officer who thinks its the police running the show - they tell you to cycle faster or whatever, and you get a police van or motorbike up your arse.
Maybe now the police can lay off ordering us about and being physically aggressive.
Weird one, the policing of CM.
In the early days, they didn't turn up at all.
Then they came on police motorbikes but kept their distance.
Then they started turning up on bicycles, and really enjoying themselves.
And now they're back to motorbikes, and harrassing the fringes of the mass. And photgraphing everyone.
In the early days, they didn't turn up at all.
Then they came on police motorbikes but kept their distance.
Then they started turning up on bicycles, and really enjoying themselves.
And now they're back to motorbikes, and harrassing the fringes of the mass. And photgraphing everyone.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
state thugs actings as agent provocaters no shit...HackneyE9 said:
in the news later rain is wet...
goodo ne CM for this tbh more of it...
Whilst any imporper police behavious should be challenged, don't get too carried away with this result ... so far as I am aware it concerned itsef simply with whether or not CM amounted to a procession such as needed police authorisation to be legal - and it concluded it did not.Major Tom said:
So it said the police can't just declare it to be illegal and prosecute everyone involved. But it didn't go anywhere near what the police could, and could not, do in policing it when it took place.
Can you pass on a message to your former colleagues, Detective Boy? For the past two years, when they sent the cycle cops along, the boys in blue on the bikes seemed to really like it, had smiles on their face and policed it all softly softly.
Now it's all aggressive again - very counterproductive. And the ride virtually polices itself, in terms of being scrupulous about letting ambulances, fire engines, etc through.
Now it's all aggressive again - very counterproductive. And the ride virtually polices itself, in terms of being scrupulous about letting ambulances, fire engines, etc through.
I will if I see them ...HackneyE9 said:
Perhaps it would be better communicated by the (er, non-existent) leaders of CM direct to the police in Westminster or whichever Borough is affected, or indirectly via the media.
(Sadly, the main aim of the legislation requiring persmission to be obtained for a public procession is to ensure that the rights of the participants can be balanced with the rights of everyone else and to try and make sure every reasonable step is taken to ensure no-one gets hurt. There appears to have been a failure (on both sides) to either realise this or to try and achieve it ...
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kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I reckon someone should invite Dave 'The Rave' Cameron along without his Jag...it'd really fucking stitch him up as well...
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I reckon someone should invite Dave 'The Rave' Cameron along without his Jag...it'd really fucking stitch him up as well...
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