Creating fair sustainable local employment

[Skim]

What happens if your area doesn't offer satisfactory job opportunities and you're discriminated against in another area because you're not a local? I can't do my job in Camberwell; I have to travel to central London to do it. Should I resign myself to working at the local Woolworths in the interests of sustainability?

 

[durruti02]

"as close as possible", in practice, means anywhere.

no it means a fuck site closer than now!! at the moment teh market decides .. isay local people and ecology shoudl decide

 

[TAE]

Then your use of the word local is completely meaningless and I'm leaving this thread.

 

[durruti02]

Go check out their website and their policies on the built environment if you don't believe me...local materials, local workers only.

And what kind of geographical area do you mean by 'local'?

kyser that woudl depend on the locality

p.s. if that is their policies good on them the racist middle classs scum that they are .. good to see they have more than one brain cell to rub together ..

 

[sleaterkinney]

How would you enforce this though?. And won't people just move so that they are "local"?

 

[durruti02]

How would you enforce this though?. And won't people just move so that they are "local"?

how is any workers power enforced? .. that woudl be down to the locality the time the situation i guess .. but at least lets aim for somewhere near there

 

[durruti02]

Then your use of the word local is completely meaningless and I'm leaving this thread.

daft man

.. it is not possible to have an all ecompassing 'local' ... depends on environment, resources, people, situation etc etc .. so as close as possible seems as good as it gets

 

[sleaterkinney]

how is any workers power enforced? .. that woudl be down to the locality the time the situation i guess .. but at least lets aim for somewhere near there

So workers would have a say in who is employed and whether they're local enough?

 

[Crispy]

Locality is a worthy cause - from social and environmental standpoints, it makes sense.

However, not all jobs can be localised. Things with heavy infrastucture or intial capital costs (eg. semiconductor plants) can only exist in relatively few places. Othe projects are simply too large to be undertaken by a single 'locality' - designing and building aeroplanes for example.

 

[Brainaddict]

don't be a fool .. white is a minority in my locality

Ah, so in your tiny mind, in which the important differences between people are nationality and race, you are feeling outnumbered. I *wondered* what had got you all so angry

We're being swamped I tell you.

Poor durruti02.

 

[mk12]

It seems that rather than deal with the issues and questions durruti asks, people put words in his mouth and subtely hint that he has a lot in common with the BNP. It happens a lot.

 

[Brainaddict]

It seems that rather than deal with the issues and questions durruti asks, people put words in his mouth and subtely hint that he has a lot in common with the BNP. It happens a lot.

But he *does* have a lot in common with the BNP.

And people have dealt with his 'issues' plenty of times, he simply chooses to stick to his guns. Which is his right, but then it's our right to tell him what we think of him.

 

[Crispy]

Well, those are the stated policies of the BNP. It's just that the BNP arrived at that conclusion from a racist viewpoint, and durrito comes to it from a collectivist/socialist viewpoint.

 

[Spion]

It seems that rather than deal with the issues and questions durruti asks, people put words in his mouth and subtely hint that he has a lot in common with the BNP. It happens a lot.

Subtle hints? Myself and others have been very clear. Durrutti only shouts about immigration being a problem. A working class activist would shout about getting newcomers organised and building solidarity against a common enemy

 

[Brainaddict]

Well, those are the stated policies of the BNP. It's just that the BNP arrived at that conclusion from a racist viewpoint, and durrito comes to it from a collectivist/socialist viewpoint.

Well, a nationalist socialist point of view.

 

[Crispy]

hohoho

 

[Brainaddict]

And as a general point, I don't usually post on big politics threads, which tend to get sabotaged by personal insults quite quickly, but I'm so sick of seeing these fucking borderline racist threads from durutti02 on these boards that today *I'm* the one on here and I *want* to destroy the thread with personal insults because I don't want to see any more of his fucking ill-thought-out, xenophopic, nationalist gibberish on these boards.

Is that so wrong? It's for the greater good

 

[mk12]

Can someone point me in the direction of a racist comment by Durruti?

 

[Brainaddict]

Can someone point me in the direction of a racist comment by Durruti?

And the daily mail is never racist either. I mean, they'd get sued if they were, right?

xenophobic may be closer to the truth than racist, but whatever - his anti-immigration rhetoric only serves to inflame racism - or would do if anyone listened

 

[mk12]

Do you think all those who oppose the notion of "open borders" are xenophobic, or serving to inflame racism?

 

[Fruitloop]

Do you think all those who oppose the notion of "open borders" are xenophobic, or serving to inflame racism?

Whose borders? Borders of what?

 

[mk12]

open borders ie. free movement of people, no immigration controls.

 

[Fruitloop]

But shouldn't the question be why these borders are there in the first place? I mean are you going to stop northerners moving to the overcrowded south-east to find work as well? If not then why not? What is special about national or state borders from a socialist or anarchist point of view?

 

[mk12]

But shouldn't the question be why these borders are there in the first place?

Perhaps. Whether we get an answer to that or not, surely the more important question is: do people want some form of immigration controls or not? Even if we accept that controls were put in place for the boss class' purposes, that doesn't necessarily mean that we must therefore oppose all controls. I was asking if people thought someone who does favour controls of some sort is bordering on racism, or at least xenophobic.

 

[bluestreak]

IMO I believe that anyone who favours closed borders and isolationism as a priority over reform, unionism, solidarity and collectivisation of the means of production etc. is either xenophobic or pandering to the xenophobic elements in society because it's an easier argument to win.

either way the outcome and the target is the same.

 

[Spion]

I was asking if people thought someone who does favour controls of some sort is bordering on racism, or at least xenophobic.

'some sort of bordering on' - couldn't you be more vague?

Immigration controls are nationalist, as they are a form of dishing out access to resources based on nationality

 

[Spion]

IMO I believe that anyone who favours closed borders and isolationism as a priority over reform, unionism, solidarity and collectivisation of the means of production etc. is either xenophobic or pandering to the xenophobic elements in society because it's an easier argument to win.

Exactly

 

[tarannau]

Perhaps. Whether we get an answer to that or not, surely the more important question is: do people want some form of immigration controls or not? Even if we accept that controls were put in place for the boss class' purposes, that doesn't necessarily mean that we must therefore oppose all controls. I was asking if people thought someone who does favour controls of some sort is bordering on racism, or at least xenophobic.

No, but if every other post is about immigation and they use terms like 'ordinary people' and 'indiginous' (sic)to distinguish locals from 'migrants' then you've got to worry about their xenophobic/racist tendencies haven't you?

 

[mk12]

Exactly

So about 98% of people in this country then?

 

[Spion]

So about 98% of people in this country then?

Well, I dunno about 98% but it's a lot. Read it and weep, eh? The revolution ain't happening tomorrow.

NB: Bluestreak was talking about activists, tho I'm sure you know that