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chymaera said:
That is EXACTLY what has been happening, which was why I wrote to my MP, he took it up with the relevant minister, who bent the ear of the regional JobCentre Plus, who phoned me, and JobCentre plus is now paying for CRB checks for people on JSA who are falling foul of the problem until the rules can be changed.

No one asks for CRB checks at application stage (except agencies when they interview you to get you on their books).
 
Stobart Stopper said:
I think a CRB check is between £10-12. I have the forms here somewhere for when I start applying for jobs in gyms.

You should only be able to get the forms from a potential employer. You cannot apply for one as an individual.
 
The current legislation does not allow the self-employed or individuals to apply for a CRB check on themselves. In addition, parents who employ a nanny/au pair/babysitter directly cannot apply for a CRB check; however, if an agency supplies the nanny/au pair/babysitter, the agency is entitled to carry out a CRB check.

If you are going to work as a paid employee or as a volunteer for an organisation and your work will bring you into contact with children or vulnerable adults, you may be asked to apply for a CRB check. For example, if you are to work as a teacher, care worker, scout & guide leader, registered childminder, sports coach, youth club worker, foster carer or adoptive parent.

A CRB check may also be required for a range of other types of job or licences. If you have been asked to apply for a CRB check you will need to speak to the person who asked you to apply as they will be able to provide you with the application form.

If you have been asked to apply for a CRB check, the CRB has developed a guide that may answer some of your questions, called Applicant’s Guide to the CRB 's Disclosure Service (DIP 017) available in the Resource Library.

http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=381
 
Blagsta said:
You should only be able to get the forms from a potential employer. You cannot apply for one as an individual.
You can get them from the police station, fill them in and then send them off with the fee.
Anyone can do this.
 
Stobart Stopper said:
You can get them from the police station, fill them in and then send them off with the fee.
Anyone can do this.

No you can't. You're thinking of a PNC check under the Data Protection Act. That's a different thing to a CRB check.
 
Blagsta said:
No one asks for CRB checks at application stage (except agencies when they interview you to get you on their books).

After the 3rd job application my wife sent off which had to have a cheque enclosed for £48 for the CRB check I got rather pissed off, as I am with you.
At the level my wife works, (she is currently in charge of 60 patients overnight) a CRB check before a job application is looked at is common practice.
 
chymaera said:
After the 3rd job application my wife sent off which had to have a cheque enclosed for £48 for the CRB check I got rather pissed off, as I am with you.
At the level my wife works, (she is currently in charge of 60 patients overnight) a CRB check before a job application is looked at is common practice.

No one does CRB checks at that stage. Either you're mistaken or your being taken for an idiot.
 
Blagsta said:
No one does CRB checks at that stage. Either you're mistaken or your being taken for an idiot.

I am not about to carry on a pointless argument with you when the problem has been raised by my MP at ministerial level. JobCentre Plus are now picking up the bill for CRB checks so as far as I am concerned that is a result.
 
chymaera said:
After the 3rd job application my wife sent off which had to have a cheque enclosed for £48 for the CRB check I got rather pissed off, as I am with you.
At the level my wife works, (she is currently in charge of 60 patients overnight) a CRB check before a job application is looked at is common practice.
Can't they just carry them over? My sister in law works for an agency sometimes as a nursing sister and she's had one CRB check and that's it.
 
Stobart Stopper said:
Can't they just carry them over? My sister in law works for an agency sometimes as a nursing sister and she's had one CRB check and that's it.

No, they are not transferable.
 
tobyjug said:
I am not about to carry on a pointless argument with you when the problem has been raised by my MP at ministerial level. JobCentre Plus are now picking up the bill for CRB checks so as far as I am concerned that is a result

Organisations do not do CRB checks at the application stage. You're mistaken or the Jobcentre's been scamming your money off you.

http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=4760

How do I get a CRB check?
Once you have made it successfully through your interview or completed your licence application, your prospective employer or organisation will provide you with the CRB application form.


Note: Only organisations entitled to ask an exempted question under The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) Order 1975 are eligible to request CRB checks. These organisations must either be registered directly with the CRB or apply through an organisation that is already registered (an Umbrella Body).
 
Stobart Stopper said:
Can't they just carry them over? My sister in law works for an agency sometimes as a nursing sister and she's had one CRB check and that's it.

That's because she is working for the same employer all the time, i.e. the agency.
 
Blagsta said:
Organisations do not do CRB checks at the application stage. You're mistaken or the Jobcentre's been scamming your money off you.

All the jobs my wife applied for wanted the money upfront with the application form. (Including where she now works, but they have refunded it).
The JobCentre did not ask for the money. They are now paying it direct so the problems is solved from a job applicant point of view.
 
Either you're making it up or the organisations that your wife is applying to are taking her for a ride. It is very bad practice to (a) expect a CRB check with the application and (b) expect the applicant to pay. With your track record, I think you're making it up for some obscure reason of your own.
 
Blagsta said:
Why would an organisation want to do the paperwork and pay the fees for hundreds of applicants?

What I suggest you do is ask the goverment minister dealing with the problem of CRB checks being paid before an application is looked at:-
James Plaskitt MP
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State
Department for Work and Pensions
Caxton House
Tothill Street
London
SW1H 9DA

He can be e-mailed from here:-
https://secureonline.dwp.gov.uk/dwp-contact/
 
The organisation I work for does frontline work with children and familes and all / any staff who work with children have to have extended CRB checks, but we only get checks on staff who we have offered jobs to, and we do pay for the checks.
 
Dont know who is right but where I work (in education) once you are offered a job and signed the contract you get CRB checked at works expense and you cant work alone in a classroom until its back and clear. They are redone every couple of years.

I also work for an examining board and have to have one done for that even though they know I have to have a current clear one for my main job. I dont know if they are transferrable but id guess that each organisation has to be fully responsible to ensure its done so do it themselves rather than take the chance another organisation has slipped up.

If we use agency people we still do our own CRB checks.
 
chymaera said:
What I suggest you do is ask the goverment minister dealing with the problem of CRB checks being paid before an application is looked at:-
James Plaskitt MP
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State
Department for Work and Pensions
Caxton House
Tothill Street
London
SW1H 9DA

He can be e-mailed from here:-
https://secureonline.dwp.gov.uk/dwp-contact/

Did your wife also have to send her original ID documents with every single job application? I find that very hard to believe.
 
chymaera said:
All the jobs my wife applied for wanted the money upfront with the application form. (Including where she now works, but they have refunded it).
The JobCentre did not ask for the money. They are now paying it direct so the problems is solved from a job applicant point of view.
I can't see what the point is of an individual obtaining their own CRB check. What's to stop someone getting a CRB check done, scanning it into a computer and altering it and sending the amended version to the potential employer?

That would defeat the whole point of a CRB check. :confused:
 
Individuals can't apply for CRB checks, it has to be done through the potential employer or an umbrella organisation. You also have to supply original ID, no one's going to post that with every job application. Most places want you to come in so they can verify the ID. They're not going to invite every applicant in. I strongly suspect tobyjug is bullshitting as usual. Odd thing to bullshit about though. :confused: :confused:

A copy gets sent to you and a copy to the potential employer. The potential employer is supposed to destroy it as soon as they have made their recruitment decisions, they cannot keep it on file.
 
i've had 5 of the fuckers done so far this year, one for every agency I'm signed on with, and one for BUPA. I've not had to pay for one of them, altho I hear some agencies do ask for this.

I've applied and been interviewed for several jobs (within different PCTs) and none of them have asked for a CRB check up front. The BUPA hospital did one after I'd been offered a job, but I couldn't start work until it was done - even tho I already had more enhanced disclosures less than 6 months old than you could shake a stick at.
 
Blagsta said:
According to this
http://www.crb.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=1871
they can be re-used. Interesting.

So I can carry it over?

I have found my GCHQ certificate, I'd presume that carries more weight than a CRB check as it clears me for governmental, MoD and central government. They even asked who my parents went to school with and their headteacher :eek:

Fuck it, if they want me. It is up to them to sort out and the NHS personnel dept' are usually quite good ime.
 
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