crack use in central brixton
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top_biller said:
you need a bb gun or sumthin like that
otherwise they'll just ignore u
gaijingirl
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Hmmm... I'm not sure that shooting any kind of gun BB or otherwise at crackheads out of one's window is the wisest move.. 
There is a major problem at the moment and it's getting worse.
If I set up an email list to comeup with ideas with how to deal with it, would anyone be interested in signing up? We could get a couple of police on it and let them know the scale of the problem. Much more effective than a petition.
I live just of the market and generally and me and my neighbours have to evict about 4 crackheads each weekend from the alley at the back of our flats. (Generally followed by a volley of abuse and threats, leaving a nice selection of turds and paraphernalia behind them). And thats only the ones we catch.
The thing I dont understand is why the police are unable to deal with it. The same people are smoking and dealing in the same places.
If I set up an email list to comeup with ideas with how to deal with it, would anyone be interested in signing up? We could get a couple of police on it and let them know the scale of the problem. Much more effective than a petition.
I live just of the market and generally and me and my neighbours have to evict about 4 crackheads each weekend from the alley at the back of our flats. (Generally followed by a volley of abuse and threats, leaving a nice selection of turds and paraphernalia behind them). And thats only the ones we catch.
The thing I dont understand is why the police are unable to deal with it. The same people are smoking and dealing in the same places.
reNnIe said:
I think it takes a fair amount of resources to catch people - and the users typically aren't worth catching since they won't be sent to jail for drug use (and neither should they be) - because you need to film people selling repeatedly to get a conviction. This does happen - for instance when they do one of the periodic crackdowns on CHL - but a side effect is displacement into the neighbouring areas...
Giles said:
Very constructive.
On a happier note I've just realised that if I got a vegetable box delivered then it would sit in my garden. Where the crackheads would eat them. Win win - if they don't I eat more healthily. If they eat my vegetables I feel good about improving their health.
<smug>
Giles said:
Bit of a Daily Mail solution! I dont think being a crackhead is a path many people take out of choice.
Displacement is an issue, but not an argument to do nothing. It should be about making fast lowcost changes wherever there is a problem. e.g. If soemone boarded up the doorways into Brady's people wouldnt be able to deal there anymore.
top_biller
a big bowl of wrong
memespring said:
...or put the library/Ritzy fire exit doors flush with the wall. WHY THE RECESS? WHY? I'd love to get hold of the architect who designed that feature and ask if he envisaged it as a handy toke spot cum urinal.
Then put some some low spikes on the wall that runs down each block (I've always liked the jagged bits of glass you see cemented in, that would mess with the high). Nothing too harsh, just so you can't sit down.
Harpoon turrets on the roof and its job done.
Bob said:Good point. I nominate you to run it! I'll pm you my email.
I'll run it if we can get 25 people to sign up including a policeman and a councillor. Sign up here people
http://www.pledgebank.com/brixton
Crispy
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top_biller said:
Because fire exit doors can never open directly onto a pavement, the door swings could easily hit someone or, more seriously, be blocked by something. It's the law!
As a result, buildings everywhere have fire exits that are also fantastic for pissing/smoking/shooting up in.
EDIT : Unless the pavement's really wide - then you can get away with it
Johnny Canuck3
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I've always wondered: these people are so obviously poor and down and out. How can they afford so damn much crack?
How much change can one person steal out of parked cars in a day?
How much change can one person steal out of parked cars in a day?
Stobart Stopper
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They were there before the yuppies.Giles said:
The answer is metal grille gates or similar which have to be locked "open" during performance but which can otherwise be locked shut, barring access to the recess. Whilst this still leaves the recess accessible for some of the time, it reduces it significantly and restricts it to times when, by definition, there is activity at the venue and staff who could be tasked to monitor / move on anyone using the recessed areas inappropriately.Bob said:
Johnny Canuck3
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detective-boy said:
The problem with this solution is that lazy staff sometimes neglect or forget to unlock the grilles at the relevant times, leading to large numbers of deaths in the event of fires, etc.
Because the police do not have the answer. They only thing they can do is enforce the law - arrest, charge, bail, see imprisoned for a short time, then round and round and round again. The criminal law only treats the symptom (and does that poorly!).memespring said:
They cannot do anything to reduce demand by education, to provide support to people trying to give up drugs, to provide health related interventions where necessary, etc. Other agencies (health, social services, education, charities, etc.) have roles to play but they are notoriously underesourced and even ten years after the introduction of the Crime and Disorder Act 1994, which was clearly intended to legally oblige them to assist the police in reducing crime, and often still reluctant to play their part. There is also a strong thread of reluctance to try anything which may be considered "soft on drugs" by central government. They constantly use enforcement as their only response despite clear evidence that it does not work.
You can say "What are the police doing about it?" until you are blue in the face - it will not, and cannot, make any significant difference.
detective-boy said:
All valid, especially about the other agencies being under resourced - believe me I wasnt suggesting arresting people as a solution in itself, that doesnt resolve the problem or do any good for those arrested. (Although it is frustraiting seeing the same people dealing/smoking/breaking into yards in the same place week in week out)
It just there seem to be alot of little things they and the other agencies could do that would add up to an improvement. Especially if they engage with people (and vise versa hence the mailing list idea).
Johnny Canuck3
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phildwyer said:
What: no crackheads in New York?
Johnny Canuck3
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phildwyer said:
There was an area in this city that was straight out of Breughel. The cops finally went in there in force, and before you knew it, the streets were relatively empty. No open crack smoking on every doorstep, etc.
But what happened, is that they fanned out into other parts of the city. What used to be a fairly concentrated problem, is now spread throughout the downtown core and surrounding neighborhoods.
