Cpgb And Bush Agree: Climate Change Unproven!

[Udo Erasmus]

People who like to read the MI6 sponsored Weekly Wrecker, may be astonished to read the latest wacky attack by leading CPGB member, Tina Becker, on the SWP.

Apparently, the SWP outrageously sides with the majority of scientific opinion in believing that climate change is a real problem.

But the CPGB (like George Dubya) believe that climate change is unproven and think it is disgusting that the SWP advocates various environmental measures to tackle it - such as house and building insulation, renewable energy, investment in public transport.

Here's a flavour of the derranged CPGBs take on Climate Change:


"This is the most painful section . . . Respect’s participation in the December 3 demonstration against climate change.

The comrades know “that anthropogenetic global warming is an undeniable reality” (motion 13), that there is “overwhelming evidence for the existence and scale of the problem” (motion 9), that it is “one of the biggest threats facing humanity” (motion 16) and that something needs to be done “before future generations curse us” (motion 18).

And the solution? “Enforce the Kyoto protocol” and/or “draw up new international protocols”; push through “energy-saving strategies” for businesses and private households; nationalise Rover and let the workforce “produce wind turbines and solar panels”, etc.

Not only are there a lot of unrecognised scientists and experts amongst the Respect membership who are absolutely sure that the dramatic fluctuations of temperatures encountered in the past are totally different from what is happening today. They are also utterly convinced that climate change never occurs through natural processes and that its effects must always be unpalatable."

Are the CPGB heading down the RCP route?

 

[rednblack]

People who like to read the MI6 sponsored Weekly Wrecker?

evidence for mi6 sponsorship...

 

[Udo Erasmus]

evidence for mi6 sponsorship...

They always print all the full names of people who attend meetings

I think that a marxist newspaper arguing that Climate Change doesn't exist is pretty dodgy.

 

[Matt S]

I agree. I wrote to them this week about it.

Matt

 

[Donna Ferentes]

They always print all the full names of people who attend meetings

I think that a marxist newspaper arguing that Climate Change doesn't exist is pretty dodgy.

Well, not really. It could just be evidence of human stupidity.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

I expected a typical ultra-left attack from the CPGB.

For example, "why do the SWP support the Kyoto protocol which won't even solve climate change?"

Not for them to actually question the concept of climate change itself.

There is virtually a consensus among scientific opinion on climate change and most of the scientists who do dispute climate change have links to Bush or oil companies or both

 

[butchersapron]

They always print all the full names of people who attend meetings

What's it like being in a MI6 sponsored group then udo?

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=7681

 

[flimsier]

at Butchers.

However, on a serious point, surely that's a bit different to the WW who print people's names without permission. SW do (or rather used to, you never know what they've changed nowadays) make an effort not to do that because there can be workplace issues.

Udo didn't need to put that in the op though. It makes a valid point seem quite cheap imo.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

A propos of which, it's a little unwise of Udo - or, indeed, anybody - to make too much of the fact that somebody's opinion is shared by somebody unpalatable. It's not always entirely irrelevant, but it's a game we could all play all day - "you're against the invasion of Iraq, so is Osama Bin Laden" etc.

"Stupid individual writes stupid piece" would be more on the mark.

 

[rednblack]

at Butchers.

However, on a serious point, surely that's a bit different to the WW who print people's names without permission. SW do (or rather used to, you never know what they've changed nowadays) make an effort not to do that because there can be workplace issues.

socialist worker published my name without my permission, in an article about my company

 

[rednblack]

They always print all the full names of people who attend meetings

I think that a marxist newspaper arguing that Climate Change doesn't exist is pretty dodgy.

so, you've no evidence for your accusations then

 

[flimsier]

socialist worker published my name without my permission, in an article about my company

Fair enough and that's out of order. They used to make an effort to then. I'm sure you'll pretty much agree that's true. It's certainly something I know to be true, and is something I don't think anyone's ever been able to say at the weekly worker.

Fuck knows how that proves MI6 involvement though.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think udo knows what MI6 is either whilst we're on it.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

The Weekly Worker printed private e-mail correspondence between a member of the SWP in my area and John Rees (concerning the Socialist Party's involvement in the Welsh Socialist Alliance).

Isn't that a little odd? How did they get hold of this email?

They also carry extensive reports of the SWP conference that is only open to elected delegates from SWP branches.

The fact that they orientate themselves not towards the working class but attacking the largest far-left group in the UK, would suggest that they are a very odd outfit.

But this is a bit of a distraction from the thread which is on climate change

 

[rednblack]

I don't think udo knows what MI6 is either whilst we're on it.

i think he means Mi5, but who knows what the fuck he's on about tbh

 

[rednblack]

But this is a bit of a distraction from the thread which is on climate change

but you accused them of being linked with the british foreign intelligence service, without any qualification or evidence

who cares what they think about climate change?

 

[Udo Erasmus]

The MI5/MI6 connection was a throwaway remark, I was kinda hoping that members of the CPGB would post to defend their contention that Climate Change isn't real and was interested in hearing if anyone else on these boards backed the CPGBs line.

The Weekly Worker recently argued that Islamphobia was concocted by right wing Imam's to control their communities, presumably they agree with the Michael Chrichton line on Climate Change that it is being invented by activists for nefarious purposes

 

[KeyboardJockey]

What's it like being in a MI6 sponsored group then udo?

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=7681

No Butchers thats an mi5 sponsored group not MI6

 

[butchersapron]

The Weekly Worker printed private e-mail correspondence between a member of the SWP in my area and John Rees (concerning the Socialist Party's involvement in the Welsh Socialist Alliance).

Isn't that a little odd? How did they get hold of this email?

They also carry extensive reports of the SWP conference that is only open to elected delegates from SWP branches.

The fact that they orientate themselves not towards the working class but attacking the largest far-left group in the UK, would suggest that they are a very odd outfit.

But this is a bit of a distraction from the thread which is on climate change

There we have it, conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen, i think you'll agree. Thanks for your time udo.

 

[blamblam]

Man I so wish I was in the CPGB so I could make spoof CBGBs shirts like Olivia Wilde wore in the OC

 

[butchersapron]

Of course, there are a few things in this area that the CPGB would prefer to keep quiet on...amongst them Michael Bettany and his pension...

 

[past caring]

The Weekly Worker printed private e-mail correspondence between a member of the SWP in my area and John Rees (concerning the Socialist Party's involvement in the Welsh Socialist Alliance).

Isn't that a little odd? How did they get hold of this email?

They also carry extensive reports of the SWP conference that is only open to elected delegates from SWP branches.

Maybe a BNP mole passed it to them?

The MI5/MI6 connection was a throwaway remark, I was kinda hoping that members of the CPGB would post to defend their contention that Climate Change isn't real and was interested in hearing if anyone else on these boards backed the CPGBs line.

Can you let me know the user names of those CPGB members who post on these boards?

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Another odd thing, a guy in London told me, is that when the CPGB member Marcus Larsen/Marcus Strom (like most CPGB members he has several names) was standing for the Socialist Alliance there was all this odd jazz because he was being incredibly shady about what his real name was.

The local SA were understandably concerned because you might be disquallified by the electoral people if you stood for election under a false name

 

[butchersapron]

Fucking right, you don't want to break the law do you.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Fucking right, you don't want to break the law do you.

Not over something so trivial.

 

[butchersapron]

And it also rather handily gives you the opp to smear your political opponensts without any evidence under the guise of concern...

 

[rednblack]

Of course, there are a few things in this area that the CPGB would prefer to keep quiet on...amongst them Michael Bettany and his pension...

absolutely, i wonder why udo hasnt mentioned that?

 

[Udo Erasmus]

absolutely, i wonder why udo hasnt mentioned that?

I have no idea what you allude too

 

[butchersapron]

Jesus

 

[Udo Erasmus]

It's odd that if a Muslim member of Respect came out with the statements that Tina Becker has said, it would be pasted up all over these boards, but neither Butchers, Rednblack or others, can bring themselves to even publiclly say that they disagree with the CPGB