Covering Israel-palestine - The BBC’s Double Standards

[tangentlama]

I disagree with you, garfield le chat. Engagement is necessary, and good and intelligent CONVERSATION sometimes does come from this engagement, at other times, we see 'spin' (of which Regev is number one doctor).

Also, I find it offensive - religious fundamentalism isn't stupid, offensive, supremacist, or all those other things you said. Religion isn't stupid, offensive, supremacist, but sometimes people use religion in a political way, and sometimes people use religion and they aren't well educated and so appear stupid especially when they can't apply religious laws universally and in those ways you mentioned such as favouring their ethnicity over all others, but there are fundamental religious tenets and they are mostly very good and they do not encourage supremacist attitudes.

The most surprising of calls for two sides to talk are coming from religious "fundamentalisms - the Hamas, the Shas, and a very foresighted Settler leader (whose name I forgot, sorry).


And I agree with Maurice, some representative activist/lobbyist from both sides complain of bias. I find the mainstream news slightly more informed on the Israeli side, but that is because they have a media department given press packs, as has already been said, its more difficult to get this info for Palestinian.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: As one who has actually been to ?Texas a few times, I can assure you that marriage of 12 year olds is far, far from common if practiced on anything other than paper. At home though it is practiced more than I care to think about it. Texas and Gaza City or two different worlds, nothing in common. Even the sand is different.

"Resident of the Bronx.": More on your fixation of me? I am actually a resident of Agusan del Sur Province on the island of Mindanao , hold dual Israeli/American citizenship and am in America on business. IK did attend my first few years of school in this country but it was in a Bratslaver cheder and we did not have any flags in in it. We do not salute Ameria or even speak English (well some of us learn it for business and I learned it in Israel where amazingly enough in school it was mandatory, still cannot speak it well. I always have you to help though, right mate?).

I have Bronx under my name because wherever I am posting from, I believe in absolute honesty, unlike several people here.

"Child killing.": Now I know little Nino has never even changed a clip but pray tell, imagine yourself carrying a Galil, or what we have now M16.4s or Tabors and you are on patrol, rounding a corner you saee a kaffieyeh wrapped face about 5 foot 4 pointing an AK right at yuor head. What do YOU do Nino? I am interested since YOU have ALL the answers. What would you do?

 

[rachamim18]

Garfield: "Shells on the beach anyone?": Garfield I would kindly suggest that you pay a bit more attention to regional news if you will insist on that haughty attuitude since it has been proven that it ewas HAMAS ordnance that set off the expolosion that killed most of that sad family that day....despite what the fraud Galasco told the world through his commie shill group HRW.Funny how they shut their mouths when evidence does not go their way.

"Killing children should be referred to as a 'good kill'.": "Good Kill" is a military term used to describe any killing that is legal within the Rules of War as well as the Rules of Engagement. Sorry if the phrasing upsets you but words are not the issue, action is and in this case, as un P.C. as it is, the words are perfectly fine.

"Rach is an apologist, supremacist, and a racist.": Great, no arguments, just good old name calling, right? Side stepping shuffle and juive, is that it? Got it. Thanks.

"Religious nutcases.": WHAT? What EVER made you imagine I was in the least bit religious? I think you are having some sort of break from reality to say something as weird and disjointed as that.


Ohhhhh, I love tht apparently misspelled screed at the end warning folks not to talk to me. Glad your large hearts cares so much for the U75 World but why not try this instead: YOU put ME on ignore and let other adults worry about themselves. Think that might work?

 

[frogwoman]

despite what the fraud Galasco told the world through his commie shill group HRW

funny you decribe human rights watch, as a "commie shill group" when it's been accused of promoting a pro-us agenda ... and people like george soros are heavily involved in it ...

shows it must be doing something right eh ...

 

[CyberRose]

Ah is it this time of the year already?! I should've guessed it was when everybody started having BBQs in the street and the girls started wearing less clothing! The annual "BBC is biassed" thread!

Face facts - when twenty people are killed, no media company is gonna name them all in an article explaining the events, when one person is killed, they'll get named - more Palestinians die than Israelis die in the various attacks on both sides, so there is less chance of the Palestinians being named than there is the Israelis being named. Case in example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4915868.stm - 9 Israelis dead in a suicide attack, none named by the BBC

As somebody correctly pointed out, the pro-Israel people constantly accuse the BBC of being anti-Israel/anti-Semitic just as much (imo with a lot more ferocity) than those who accuse the BBC of being anti-Palestinian

IMO - big thumbs up to the BBC for being the most unbiassed source of news in the world

 

[rachamim18]

Frog: All you have to do, is avoid the propaganda, and research the organisation itself. It was founded by a hardcore communist and all its early board was the same.


Pro-American? Hardly and we do know that it is heavily, heavily biased against Israel but that is to be expected since the founder did not iniate his nonsense until the early 60s when we were moving away from the communisr orbit quickly (really we left it by Suez but the Soviets still held out hope until 61)

I did not mention Soros Frog, although I find alot of what he does to be misguided as well. Another misguided or deluded brother but we Jews tend tobe our own worst enemies. Funny, if not so horrid, just this week back home two teens sentenced to prison for being Neo-Nazis.

Rose, my problem is not in naming anyone nor to my knowledge has any Jewish organisation ever brought that to bear. Most and myself take issue with terms like "Collective Punishment," ,Blockade," ,Occupied," "Discussing the "PAlestinian Refigee" situation ad nauseum while not mnetioning the Jewish Refugees from Arab Lands who happen to outnumber those "PAlestinians" by almost 2 to 1 and have a combined property losss that is 90 million greater in 1948 (US) value. I can go and on and on but rest assured it has little to do with naming 22 people or 1000.

 

[CyberRose]

Rose, my problem is not in naming anyone nor to my knowledge has any Jewish organisation ever brought that to bear. Most and myself take issue with terms like "Collective Punishment," ,Blockade," ,Occupied," "Discussing the "PAlestinian Refigee" situation ad nauseum while not mnetioning the Jewish Refugees from Arab Lands who happen to outnumber those "PAlestinians" by almost 2 to 1 and have a combined property losss that is 90 million greater in 1948 (US) value. I can go and on and on but rest assured it has little to do with naming 22 people or 1000.

Exactly, you don't like genuine criticisms of Israel because you agree with and justify Israel's actions, and therefore, in your mind, anyone who does criticise Israel must be prejudiced or biassed. The exact same goes for the other team's fans as well (as this thread shows) - they don't like it when genuine criticisms are made about their team because in their minds, every action taken by those Palestinians who have decided to take up violence, can be justified because of the situation Israel has forced on the occupied territories, and anyone who does criticise must be prejudiced or biassed.

The BBC merely reports what goes on over there and guess what? Some Israelis are bastards and do despicible things and some Palestinians are bastards and do despicible thing - don't fucking cry when somebody points those facts out to you

 

[exosculate]

Why is it a shock that the BBC is pro Israeli in its reporting?

It has always been like this.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: As one who has actually been to ?Texas a few times, I can assure you that marriage of 12 year olds is far, far from common if practiced on anything other than paper. At home though it is practiced more than I care to think about it. Texas and Gaza City or two different worlds, nothing in common. Even the sand is different.

"Resident of the Bronx.": More on your fixation of me? I am actually a resident of Agusan del Sur Province on the island of Mindanao , hold dual Israeli/American citizenship and am in America on business. IK did attend my first few years of school in this country but it was in a Bratslaver cheder and we did not have any flags in in it. We do not salute Ameria or even speak English (well some of us learn it for business and I learned it in Israel where amazingly enough in school it was mandatory, still cannot speak it well. I always have you to help though, right mate?).

I have Bronx under my name because wherever I am posting from, I believe in absolute honesty, unlike several people here.

"Child killing.": Now I know little Nino has never even changed a clip but pray tell, imagine yourself carrying a Galil, or what we have now M16.4s or Tabors and you are on patrol, rounding a corner you saee a kaffieyeh wrapped face about 5 foot 4 pointing an AK right at yuor head. What do YOU do Nino? I am interested since YOU have ALL the answers. What would you do?

You continue to suggest that I have an obsession with you. I say, don't flatter yourself.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

...The BBC IS extremely biased and AGAINST ISrael.

Did you never read the *** INDEPENDENT *** academic study that came out of Glasgow University, by Greg Philo et al?

You're deluded if you think the BBC is biased against Israel.

FFS!

 

[exosculate]

Frog: All you have to do, is avoid the propaganda, and research the organisation itself. It was founded by a hardcore communist and all its early board was the same.


Pro-American? Hardly and we do know that it is heavily, heavily biased against Israel but that is to be expected since the founder did not iniate his nonsense until the early 60s when we were moving away from the communisr orbit quickly (really we left it by Suez but the Soviets still held out hope until 61)

I did not mention Soros Frog, although I find alot of what he does to be misguided as well. Another misguided or deluded brother but we Jews tend tobe our own worst enemies. Funny, if not so horrid, just this week back home two teens sentenced to prison for being Neo-Nazis.

Rose, my problem is not in naming anyone nor to my knowledge has any Jewish organisation ever brought that to bear. Most and myself take issue with terms like "Collective Punishment," ,Blockade," ,Occupied," "Discussing the "PAlestinian Refigee" situation ad nauseum while not mnetioning the Jewish Refugees from Arab Lands who happen to outnumber those "PAlestinians" by almost 2 to 1 and have a combined property losss that is 90 million greater in 1948 (US) value. I can go and on and on but rest assured it has little to do with naming 22 people or 1000.

Are you 18 years old?

 

[rachamim18]

Cyber:I do not like criticms of Israel? I myself criticise the country but do it with facts, not generalities.


Take the word "Collective Punishment." the Jerusalem Post Englis online edition this week had an interesting piece where a Jerusalem NGO directed by Jerusalm Professor Gerald Steinberg of Bar Ilan University brought them to task in his organisation's annual report on HRW on their apprently open anti-Israeli bias. Asked if they have used the term "Collective Punishment" in describing even one other dynamic, at any time in their history...or even to describe a dynamic at any period through all of history, the Mid-Eastern Bureau's Director Joe Stork.

Stork's answer? Never.

Asked why he did not use it when the Azeri totally blockaded Armenia and he had nothing to say. Asked why HRY said not a word when Russia totally blockaded Chechnya and even deprived them of food and vital meds, forbade any outsiders including journalists and medical care workers and why then HRW did not term it "Collective Punishment." The answer? Not a word.

Yet he offered a rebuttal. He sure did. "We do criticise the Israeli blockade of Gaza as 'Collective Punishment' and solidly so."

How does he follow this "stinging rebuttal?" He then launches into an ad hom attack , without any suibstance by the way, of Professor Steinberg: "But
I haven't seen this report from Mr. Steinberrg, and he has seldom has anything truthful or honest to say- you can quote me on that." OOOOOOOH!!!! Those stinging facts Mr. Stork.


Not to mention thast even his choice of the phrase "Collective Punishment": is it had currency in 100 cases involving 100 dynamics...being that until 48 hours ago Israel kept 2 crossing open with more than 100 lorries crossing every 12 hours bringing in food and vital meds, as well as transferring tens of thousands of diesel fuel so that Gazans had all that they humanly needed.

See, this is how the propaganda game is played and this is why HRW is a shill.

It doies not matter that it was founded by hardcoire communists, that is their business. Not all communists are inherently evil people. It is just that THIS organisation is an Arab ploy and the world eats out of its hand.


Ignoring Libya, Ignoring Morroco curtailing media, Egypt curtailing democratic ideals and rights, Arabia openly beating elderly men in public for reportedly having homemade wine,Jordan irgonosing its own law protecting females of honour killingsd which by the way take place....wait...in...GAZA!!!! Hmmmm, nice stuff.


Rose, I never, ever cry. I just like facts. Not the words of an undientified "Palestinian" medics or anonymous men on the street. I like forensics reports, autopsies, even ordnance exams and this is just not forthcoming from Gaza OR the so called "WB."

If you want to collectively tar an entire mation like Israel, come with FACTS. Talk fof the 70 odd mm mortars flying all around Shalom as those 100 plus lorries rumble through bringing in meds to people who claim we collectively punish them,...the same two lorry drivers machine gunned to death 4 days ago at Oz as they sat waiting to offload petrol to Arabs whom they too were "collective;y punishing.". Were they punishing them as well? Or the car bomb at Shalom this week as well?

 

[rachamim18]

Ann: In honesty I have not had the pleasure of seeing said study. Might you find a slow day and perhaps PM me the paper in its synopsis so that I might, if you are unable,etc. to send it in its entirety so that I might examine it.

What I have seen however Ann is 30 years of studies written by concerned Jewish groups whose conclusions do look pretty convincing. I will say that since their figurative slap in the face from Johnston and the picnic with the PRC and the reshuffling of their Mid-East Bureau to finally include a non-"Palestinian" (prior to johnston and his petting of the pitbulls) and things might BEGIN to change.

I see no problems at all with not listing personal names on each and every victim of terrorism, or violence at all for that matter, and it all comes to naught. The problems with ALL of the BBC tentacles have a decades long affair with inherent bias.

Next you will tell us how the Guardian is just offering up time to the other side, right?

 

[rachamim18]

Exo: I was once, decades ago. Thanks for asking though. We Jews believe in Gemtria and as such he number 18 represents Life and Life, is seen as a particularly fortuitous word. In other words, my name Rachamim which is my real name, plus life is considered very lucky and strentghtening.

 

[Grandma Death]

Rose, I never, ever cry. I just like facts.

*cough*Bullshit*cough*