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Councils Caught Up In Icelandic Finance Problems!

Give him a chance FFS, he's barely started.

Slightly off topic. I can understand why some people dislike BJ but what is impresing me is that he does seem to be mutating into a low key efficient manager of public services which is a positive change after the constant 'look at me ' propaganda of Livingstones regime. I thought that BJ's regime would be a non stop gaff fest but I've been pleasantly surprised.

I think BJ is a bit more savvy than Labour in Lambeth. He knows that if he hits genuine vunerable service users its going to cause political problems in the future. Trimming the fat and putting an end to KL's public money splurge is going to be popular the danger is that projects that are doing good will get mixed up in the clearout of Livingstonian dross.
 
Slightly off topic. I can understand why some people dislike BJ but what is impresing me is that he does seem to be mutating into a low key efficient manager of public services which is a positive change after the constant 'look at me ' propaganda of Livingstones regime. I thought that BJ's regime would be a non stop gaff fest but I've been pleasantly surprised.

I think BJ is a bit more savvy than Labour in Lambeth. He knows that if he hits genuine vunerable service users its going to cause political problems in the future. Trimming the fat and putting an end to KL's public money splurge is going to be popular the danger is that projects that are doing good will get mixed up in the clearout of Livingstonian dross.

'sign here' said the devil - 'ok' said zachor
 
'sign here' said the devil - 'ok' said zachor

There are plenty of politicans who deserve the term 'devil' more than Boris. People like Barnbrook for instance.

<and no I don't see myself EVER supporting master race turds like Barnbrook>
 
There are plenty of politicans who deserve the term 'devil' more than Boris. People like Barnbrook for instance.

<and no I don't see myself EVER supporting master race turds like Barnbrook>


give it time - you will probably find endless excuses for that as well :D
 
Once laws and powers are on the books, they tend to be used for whatever the hell people can get away with. I dont think most of the antiterror legislation of the last decade was designed to deal with the threats of today or the war on terror, but the horrors that await in future.

Meanwhile it transpires that a Lib Dem peer had expressed concern about Icelandic banks ages ago, and was assured by the government that all was fine. Unfortunately I cant find the link to the story right now.
 
WW was held under anti-terror provisions. Perhaps you can explain what allowed the police to do this. There must have been something about his behaviour that made them think he was a terrorist to use anti terror legislation. It cant have been just a "mistake" there must have been some interpretation of the law that allowed that to happen.
You were having a go at the Labour Party in a rather dishonest way, which is why I responded. I have explained my understanding of the misconceived actions of the local police in whichever town Cde Wolfgang fell foul of anti-terrorist legislation, but would defer to my Hon. and Gallant Friend the Member for Detective-Boy to respond in more detail on that topic should he be moved to do so.

Protesters are harrassed as terrorists all the time anyway so he is not some freak occurance. I am not lying, protesters are terrorists in our brave new world.
You're exaggerating. I protest about stuff from time to time and have never been treated as a terrorist. A nuisance, maybe, but never a terrorist.

Similarly, no one would condemn a government for trying to protect British assets in Icelandic banks. But how are the Icelanders "terrorist"?
They aren't terrorists. They're very nice people who helped us a lot in the war even after we invaded and occupied them.

It seems the definitions are very very broad and we need clarity from the loving government. For example, I am going to help a friend with some gardening today but would rather not if it makes me a terrorist.
Och, do it anyway. I'm sure it'll be OK.
 
If the anti terror laws exist, then their use will be extended to include harmless pensioners who shout 'Rubbish!' at Jack Straw during the Labour Party Conference....
I refer the Hon Member to the answer I gave earlier.

By the way, I'm sure you know that Walter Wolfgang is not a "harmless pensioner", and I'm sure he'd be offended by the remark.
After the war, Wolfgang qualified as an accountant; he joined the Labour Party in 1948. He allied with the left and was Secretary of the Bevanite pressure group 'Victory for Socialism' from 1955 to 1958. He co-authored several of Victory for Socialism's pamphlets, including In Pursuit of Peace (1954) and The Red Sixties (1959); Wolfgang also assisted Hugh Jenkins in writing Summit Talks and on an unpublished work on Socialism in general in the late 1950s.

In 1956, Wolfgang co-wrote a pamphlet Tho' Cowards Flinch calling for all meetings of the Parliamentary Labour Party to be made open meetings for the press to report, and for the abolition of the standing orders of the PLP in order to allow Labour MPs freedom to defy the Labour whip. In the 1959 general election, Wolfgang was Labour candidate for Croydon North East, polling 15,440 votes, losing to sitting Conservative Member of Parliament, John Hughes-Hallett.

Wolfgang was a founder member of CND in 1958, participating in the group's first march to Aldermaston. After Hugh Gaitskell vowed to overturn the 1960 conference's decision to support unilateral nuclear disarmament and won sufficient support to make it likely that he would do so in 1961, Wolfgang wrote a pamphlet called Let Labour Lead which asserted that those who supported unilateralism would adopt Gaitskell's slogan and "fight, and fight, and fight again" to save the Labour Party. Leading a revival of the Aldermaston March in 1972, Wolfgang asserted that there was a 50–50 chance that nuclear weapons would be scrapped before the world was destroyed by them.

In 1961 Wolfgang joined the more radical section of CND in seceding to the Committee of 100 where he became Chairman of the London Executive. He organised a protest on November 1, 1961 in which he delivered a milk bottle labelled "Danger — Radioactive" to the Soviet Union embassy in London in protest at the detonation of Tsar Bomba, at 50 megatons the largest nuclear explosive to ever be tested.

As the delegate of Richmond-upon-Thames CLP at the 1972 Labour Party conference, Wolfgang made two speeches, one calling for nationalisation of land and the other moving an amendment to withdraw Britain from NATO and abandon nuclear weapons. In the late 1970s Wolfgang was a leading member of the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy, which campaigned for reforms to the Labour Party structure to give constituency parties more power.​
 
They aren't terrorists. They're very nice people who helped us a lot in the war even after we invaded and occupied them.

Well I never knew about that. I like this bit from the wikipedia article:

Consul Shepherd turned to the Icelandic police. "Would you mind ... getting the crowd to stand back a bit, so that the soldiers can get off the destroyer?" he asked. "Certainly," came the reply.

Meanwhile I found the article about a Lib Dem asking the government about the safety of Icelandic banks some months ago, and it looks like they've also found a Tory who was asking questions in July, based on worries expressed in the press by the sounds of it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7663596.stm
 
Iceland: Were UK Councils warned?

"Clear evidence appears to be emerging which suggests that councils across the United Kingdom were warned repeatedly of the dangers of investing in Icelandic banks."

If you're in one of the affected councils, it's time to get writing and phoning - remind these people that they are accountable. It would be interesting to see what responses people get if they post them up on Urban.

Here's the full list in alphabetical order:

Aylesbury District Council - £3 million
Barnet Council- £27 million
Bassetlaw District Council - £8 million
Bracknell Forest - £5 million
Braintree District - £5 million
Breckland Council - £12 million
Brent - £15 million
Bridgend Council - £1 million
Bridgenorth - £1 million
Bristol City Council - £8 million
Bromley Borough Council - £5 million
Buckinghamshire County Council - £5 million
Burnley Council - TBC
Caerphilly County Council - £15 million.
Cambridge City Council - £9 million
Canterbury City Council - £6 million
Ceredigion - £5.5 million
Charnwood Borough Council - £1 million
Cheltenham Borough Council - £11 million
Cherwell District Council - £6.5 million
Cheshire County Council - £8.5 million
Chorley Council - TBC
Colchester Borough Council - £4 million
Cornwall County Council - £5 million
Cotswold District Council - £2 million
Daventry District Council - £8 million
Derwentside District Council - £7 million
Doncaster Council - £3 million
Dorset County Council - £28.1 million
Dorset Police Authority - £7 million
Dover District Council - £1 million
East Ayrshire - £3 million
East Lindsey District Council - £4 million
East Staffordshire Borough Council - £4 million
Exeter City Council - £5 million
Flintshire Council - £3.7 million
Gateshead Council - £4.5 million
Gloucester City Council - £2 million
Gloucestershire County Council - £12 million
Great Yarmouth - £2 million
Gwent Police Authority - £1 million
Havering Council - £12.5 million
Hertfordshire - £28 million
Hertfordshire Police Authority - £3 million
Hertsmere Borough Council - £1 million
Hillingdon Council - £20 million
Ipswich Borough Council - £5 million
Kent County Council - £50 million
Kirklees Council - £1 million
Lancashire County Council - £10 million
Lancaster City Council - £6 million
Lewes District Council - £1 million
Metropolitan Police - £30 million
Mid-Devon - £1.1 million
Monmouthshire Council - £1.2 million
Moray Council - £2 million
Neath Port Talbot Council - £20 million
Newark and Sherwood District Council - £2 million
Norfolk County Council - £32.5 million
North Ayrshire - £15 million
North East Lincolnshire Council - £7 million
North Lincolnshire Council - £ 5.5 million
North Somerset - £3 million
North Wiltshire District Council - £4 million
Northumberland County Council - £23 million
Northumbria Police Authority - £3.5 million
Nottingham City Council - £42 million
Nuneaton and Bedworth - £3 million
Other affected bodies
Oxford City Council - £4.5 million
Oxfordshire County Council - £5 million
Perth and Kinross Council - £1 million
Peterborough City Council - £3 million
Plymouth City Council £13 million
Powys Council £4 million
Redcar and Cleveland Council - £6 million
Restormel Borough Council - £4 million
Rhondda Cynon Taff Council - £3 million
Rotherham Council - £3.8 million
Scottish Borders Council - £10m
Sevenoaks District Council - £1 million
Slough Council - £2.5 million
Solihull Council - £3 million
Somerset County Council - £25 million
South Ayrshire - £5 million
South Ham District Council - £1.25 million
South Hams - £12.5 million
South Lanarkshire Council - £7.5 million
South Oxfordshire District Council - £2.5 million
South Ribble - £5 million
Stoke-on-Trent Council - £5 million
Stroud - £3 million
Surrey County Council - £20 million
Sussex Police Authority - £6.8 million
Sutton Council - £5.5 million
Tewkesbury Council - £1 million
Tonbridge and Malling Borough Council - £1 million
Transport For London - £40 million
Vale of White Horse District Council - £1 million
Wakefield - £9 million
West Lindsey District Council - £7 million
West Oxfordshire District Council - £9 million
West Sussex - £12.9 million
West Yorkshire Police Authority - £6 million
Westminster Council - £17 million
Wiltshire County Council - £8 million
Winchester - £1 million
Wokingham Borough Council - £5 million
Wychavon District Council - TBC
Wycombe District Council - £2.5 million
Wyre Forest District Council - £9 million
 
Iceland: Were UK Councils warned?



If you're in one of the affected councils, it's time to get writing and phoning - remind these people that they are accountable. It would be interesting to see what responses people get if they post them up on Urban.

Here's the full list in alphabetical order:

Aylesbury District Council - £3 million
Barnet Council- £27 million
Bassetlaw District Council - £8 million
Bracknell Forest - £5 million
Braintree District - £5 million
Breckland Council - £12 million
Brent - £15 million
Bridgend Council - £1 million
Bridgenorth - £1 million
Bristol City Council - £8 million
Bromley Borough Council - £5 million
Buckinghamshire County Council - £5 million
Burnley Council - TBC
Caerphilly County Council - £15 million.
Cambridge City Council - £9 million
Canterbury City Council - £6 million
Ceredigion - £5.5 million
Charnwood Borough Council - £1 million
Cheltenham Borough Council - £11 million
Cherwell District Council - £6.5 million
Cheshire County Council - £8.5 million
Chorley Council - TBC
Colchester Borough Council - £4 million
Cornwall County Council - £5 million
Cotswold District Council - £2 million
Daventry District Council - £8 million
Derwentside District Council - £7 million
Doncaster Council - £3 million
Dorset County Council - £28.1 million
Dorset Police Authority - £7 million
Dover District Council - £1 million
East Ayrshire - £3 million
East Lindsey District Council - £4 million
East Staffordshire Borough Council - £4 million
Exeter City Council - £5 million
Flintshire Council - £3.7 million
Gateshead Council - £4.5 million
Gloucester City Council - £2 million
Gloucestershire County Council - £12 million
Great Yarmouth - £2 million
Gwent Police Authority - £1 million
Havering Council - £12.5 million
Hertfordshire - £28 million
Hertfordshire Police Authority - £3 million
Hertsmere Borough Council - £1 million
Hillingdon Council - £20 million
Ipswich Borough Council - £5 million
Kent County Council - £50 million
Kirklees Council - £1 million
Lancashire County Council - £10 million
Lancaster City Council - £6 million
Lewes District Council - £1 million
Metropolitan Police - £30 million
Mid-Devon - £1.1 million
Monmouthshire Council - £1.2 million
Moray Council - £2 million
Neath Port Talbot Council - £20 million
Newark and Sherwood District Council - £2 million
Norfolk County Council - £32.5 million
North Ayrshire - £15 million
North East Lincolnshire Council - £7 million
North Lincolnshire Council - £ 5.5 million
North Somerset - £3 million
North Wiltshire District Council - £4 million
Northumberland County Council - £23 million
Northumbria Police Authority - £3.5 million
Nottingham City Council - £42 million
Nuneaton and Bedworth - £3 million
Other affected bodies
Oxford City Council - £4.5 million
Oxfordshire County Council - £5 million
Perth and Kinross Council - £1 million
Peterborough City Council - £3 million
Plymouth City Council £13 million
Powys Council £4 million
Redcar and Cleveland Council - £6 million
Restormel Borough Council - £4 million
Rhondda Cynon Taff Council - £3 million
Rotherham Council - £3.8 million
Scottish Borders Council - £10m
Sevenoaks District Council - £1 million
Slough Council - £2.5 million
Solihull Council - £3 million
Somerset County Council - £25 million
South Ayrshire - £5 million
South Ham District Council - £1.25 million
South Hams - £12.5 million
South Lanarkshire Council - £7.5 million
South Oxfordshire District Council - £2.5 million
South Ribble - £5 million
Stoke-on-Trent Council - £5 million
Stroud - £3 million
Surrey County Council - £20 million
Sussex Police Authority - £6.8 million
Sutton Council - £5.5 million
Tewkesbury Council - £1 million
Tonbridge and Malling Borough Council - £1 million
Transport For London - £40 million
Vale of White Horse District Council - £1 million
Wakefield - £9 million
West Lindsey District Council - £7 million
West Oxfordshire District Council - £9 million
West Sussex - £12.9 million
West Yorkshire Police Authority - £6 million
Westminster Council - £17 million
Wiltshire County Council - £8 million
Winchester - £1 million
Wokingham Borough Council - £5 million
Wychavon District Council - TBC
Wycombe District Council - £2.5 million
Wyre Forest District Council - £9 million

Those of you who are council employees are about to hear the good news. It's just been on Radio 5 Live that, while there has been the massive abilout for the banks, only those councils deemed 'most badly affected' will recieve financial support from central government. There's also many rumours floating about that councils may have difficulty even meeting their wage bills as well.

Nice to see Nu Labour looking out for the workers, eh?
 
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