Council votes to demolish Lakota
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Evidence of what?
No, you haven't. You made some extraordinary leaps of logic to take offence at something I never even came close to saying and then you can't see why I'm massively offended at your implications that myself and Isambard are being even slightly racist/offensive.
As for arrogant - don't be so silly
friend of a friend, was a tenant there. when the time came to redevelop they were moved elsewhere - she was offered a smaller flat, in clifton (so away from her friends & neighbours) with inadequate access for her child's pram and nowhere near enough space for herself and two children. that's what happens when the HA decide they can make more money by redveloping their properties into more marketable ones rather than looking after the interests of the people already living there.
I'm also deeply suspicious of this part ownership thing - I couldn't afford to do it even if I wanted to and I suspect I'm better off than many people in my block/street. I'm struggling to see how it benefits local people at all tbh.
I'm also deeply suspicious of this part ownership thing - I couldn't afford to do it even if I wanted to and I suspect I'm better off than many people in my block/street. I'm struggling to see how it benefits local people at all tbh.
Terrible I hadn't heard anything like that.
The part owner thing from what I know from others who've done it is actually a pretty good scheme. I've had my suspicions in the past myself but it seems ok and is probably the only option for a lot of people on low incomes right now. The Ashley rd one says that you can join if you're on income of 15kish, the exact figure's on the hoardings. Obviously some people aren't going to be earning that but below that I don't think you'd really be realistically thinking about the property market.
I do like the fact that they are prioritising the locals to avoid profiteering from outsiders
APPLICANT PRIORITY
The following list indicates the priority levels given to prospective purchasers at Shaftesbury Terrace:
1. Applicants already living in the defined St Pauls Regeneration Area.
2. Applicants having family links with this area.
3. Applicants working in this area.
Applicants within these criteria will then be further prioritised depending on the following:
1. Current Housing Need – (Bristol City Council Housing Register banding)*
2. Time resident in the St Pauls Regeneration Area.
http://www.placesforpeople.co.uk/sales/centre/index.aspx?v=2&d=177
tbh I can't think of many schemes which couldn't be abused if someone really tried their best but hopefully the criteria and checks would prevent that here. The Housing Assoc's seem to have learnt well about working with the locals from the Grosvenor scheme. There's a good report here: http://www.southwesthousing.co.uk/pdfs/SWHI BP Knightstone St Pauls Bristol.pdf - you might recognise the tenant!
djbombscare
Plays with knives
They are moving quite a few people out to our neck of the woods. Without it getting racist, There has been a rise in the population of ethnic minorities in what is a predomiantly white Council estate. So Chavtown to the middle classes. And this mix is not going down to well.
There are suspicous looks, pointing fingers and any trouble is blamed on the opposite parties. Its very tense theres a lot of hatred. The fact that they built some new HA boxes on an old garage and then moved non white locals in isn't helping. Its brewing and the council dont give a shit.
You can say I missed the point but I didnt really. My point is that one redeveloped area at some point was developed with a specific usage in mind. Times move on. And as trends change so do areas. The council dont care about this if its not raising money via tourism or a positive part of something bigger they dont care.
As a result communities change. Be it gentrified or not. OK so St Pauls is going up market with posh knobhead flats that no-one will be able to afford anyway. part ownership is bollox as well. I lloked into it.I can buy a new house 100% owned same estate for 190k. If I went down the part ownership HA route I can buy a 50% share in a property for 130k same size same estate same house. Its bollox.
A club that they can make 1000 flats out of means 1000 more taxpayers working to pay more tax in the local area. Who give a fuck about all the ones that cant pay.
Lack of parking and non upgraded transportation links will probably mean the ponceyness dies a death in 20-30 years anyway and it gets redeveloped again. The circle completes and someoen esle moans abot them fucking up another community.
The community isnt dying its just being broken up and moved on As a result it changes the dynamics of other communites as well. Its both positive and negative. Things change people move on etc. Commuinties are not a cast in stone environments, look at our Urban Community here, it changes daily for good or bad
What you call gentrification of St Pauls is just bring new people into the community changing it dynamics. Is that as a bad thing?
If I turned round and said the influx of Ethnic minorites into South Bristol was a bad thing then I could be deemed to be racist. So why is what your saying different. Because ieveryone thinsk its will be middle class people moving in.
The communties are chaning in South Bristol too. Another area that has been redeveolped and was built for workers in the cigerette factory. They've torn shit loads of it down. Moved loads of people out are planning on ploughing swathes of it up with a raod so that Poshies form Bath can get to the airpot 30 second faster yada yada yada. The only difference is that South bristol is White council. . .Chavsville.
So where's the they're killing our community where's the they're dozing our swimming pool, our communites being ruined. . .
there is none because. . no-one gives a shit.
no-one would listen to us out here anyway.
look my point is and so that I dont get accused of missing the point is. Things change, Dynamics change. Desires, trends demands usage Everything. Its the nature of the way society evolves. Ok when you have money and can afford to live somewhere like Westposhbury things stay the same because they can afford to be. Money buys you securtiy similarity milk on the doorstep, bins collected regulalry and the post arriving before breakfast.
When your a scrote at the bottom. they have to maximise space pack em in and move with the times. It sucks you have to make do, and if you aint special you aint getting any special treatment. Its nothing new it happened in Brixton in the 80's its now your turn. I saw the council move those they didnt care about out into the council estates I lived on. And I'm seeing them do it again now. Out of sight out of mind.
Dont see it as a negative see it as positive for the community bringing in diversity and new dynamics.
The world and soceity evolves, survival of the fittest means you either evolve with it or better make sure you have enough cash so that you can hole up close the door and ignore it... or at least watch it happen on TV.
I know its all bollox. But look at it like this if the above is to much. Asking yourself things like
How many people in your community do you know the first names of?
If you didnt see someone in your street for a couple of days would you know?
Would you be worried enough to go round there house and see if they were ok.
Do you know where they live ?
Does it take you 20 minutes to go to the bin etc?
to me that stort of stuff will show how AWARE of the people that make up your community you are and how the movement of people out of it affects the dynamics of your environment. And that its not just getting caught up in the moment.
Another long boring post that goes nowhere I know
I'm aware things change, my issue is that things always change to the benefit of the moneyed classes and nobody else - as you say, these things are built and end up being rented out by multiple home owners rather than as secure accommodation for the less well off.
You may say that's the way things happen but if nobody fights this then they get it all their own way. We should at least try and pull them back our way a little.
Change is good - depending on the type of change. I just want to know that the people with least get considered a little more and I don't see that happening.
You may say that's the way things happen but if nobody fights this then they get it all their own way. We should at least try and pull them back our way a little.
Change is good - depending on the type of change. I just want to know that the people with least get considered a little more and I don't see that happening.
Geri
wasn't born to follow
A thousand flats! How big do you think Lakota was?
Plus, the people who move in are likely to be paying tax already, unless they are moving in from abroad.
Gerry1time
Did a wee in Dirac's toilet
Damn man, the lib dems and labour deliver leaflets round st pauls, i think something more than that is needed for a group claiming to be actually representative of the community!
Are they really saying that they haven't even been doing that yet? And yet they still claim to speak for 'local residents'.
Lordy.
djbombscare
Plays with knives
A thousand flats! How big do you think Lakota was?
Plus, the people who move in are likely to be paying tax already, unless they are moving in from abroad.
It was only a tongue in cheek number really BUT They've just put 12, 2 bedroom houses, on the site of a old garage floorcourt at the end of our road. 1000 flats in lakota will be no probelm if they wanted to
Yes the people that will be moving in will be paying tax already. If they then have to purchase the houses rather than rent they'll be working little taxpayers bringing money into the area from perhaps other places outside of Brizzle. They wont even have to walk that far with their Fendi handbags and blankety blanc shoes to spend money in our wonderful new Harvey Nicks. Absolutley luvleee.
Mr A the drug baron Mr B and his pimptastic crew of Hookers aint paying tax. Those nto working aint so the eyes of the council they dont really matter.
There ya go that could be their plan, They got umpteen units they gotta shiift in the NEW Boradmead, and lets face Forbiiden planet, Mr Patels Shoe shop, his brother Newsagents and his Cousins Cheap Jeans place aint gonna afford the 4k a month rent.
Harvey Nicks, Selfridges etc can. . .
I can just see the advertising campaign now. . .
A load of prostitutes pulling up there knickers and running across the road to Harvey Nicks to buy a handbag with fistful of crumpled tenners.
Then running back cos they wont spot them til next week and they aint got enough cash
The strap line "Harvey Nicks Reasurringly Fucking Expensive"
djbombscare
Plays with knives
Damn man, the lib dems and labour deliver leaflets round st pauls, i think something more than that is needed for a group claiming to be actually representative of the community!
Are they really saying that they haven't even been doing that yet? And yet they still claim to speak for 'local residents'.
Lordy.
No they have been doing leafletting, they said they were looking for more volunteers to do so. Come on Gerry, you know that most community groups/ngo's etc at this level are always struggling for the resources they need ie manpower and money. You can't seriously judge them on that, this just shows how much you're input and others is needed!
fizzerbird
Always there when I need me...
fizzerbird
Always there when I need me...
fizzerbird
Always there when I need me...
Erm...did someone say the Depot was re-opening?!
Oh how jolly delightful! I dooooo hope so!
Oh how jolly delightful! I dooooo hope so!
Dont be obtuse - my point is quite clearly questioning the tribal affiliation to the bricks and mortar and capitalist motivations of the owners.
All I remember lakotas for is a modelling for liz lewitt there once ( honest) and them turing off taps and charging for water.
Good nights surely depend on who you are with, not in which club you are.
All I remember lakotas for is a modelling for liz lewitt there once ( honest) and them turing off taps and charging for water.
Good nights surely depend on who you are with, not in which club you are.
djbombscare
Plays with knives
I dont think I've ever been in a club that hasn't turned the taps off. . .
fizzerbird
Always there when I need me...
They have taps?
big eejit
She looks like Alan Gilzean
MOVE TO REPLACE BRISTOL NIGHTCLUB WITH FLATS REJECTED
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/disp...tentPK=21073700&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/disp...tentPK=21073700&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922
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