Council votes to demolish Lakota
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Perhaps people swanning around in flash cars or in flash bars isn't welcomed by other residents, whatever their ethnic background?
I can't speak for St Pauls but from my experience of the area where I live, I'd say that the number of long term residents who "make it good" is small and their wealth does not "trickle down" to other local residents.
Medium term, the idea is to remove low to median income households from such areas, re-locate them further out. Generally destroy the availability of cheap housing stock by rennovation and re-build and attract median to high income households.
The fact that the Lakota deal got shoved through some Bristol City Council <cough> independent investigation means jack. It was a juicy development cherry that local posters such as JTG had long predicted was gonna get plucked.
The only flash car drivers not welcomed are the Yardies in my experience of St Pauls. Aspirational encouragement and not class envy is more the norm certainly for those in St Pauls from ethnic minority backgrounds.
I'm not a big believer in trickle down economics myself but I do strongly believe that having positive and aspirational role models within a community llike St Pauls does make a large difference. As a child in St Pauls in the 70s/80s I very rarely encountered successful professional people from my ethnic background, I'm fucking glad that those days are over. I saw far too many of my generation persuaded that the only route to a flash car was in selling drugs to the white man.
No you can't speak for St Pauls, what happens in your area is a completely different situation and I can't see why you need to drag it in to this. There is already thriving community associations/groups working to see and supervise regeneration in St Pauls, do you discount their views because you disagree with them?
You're medium term plans bear no reflection to what's happening here.
I have some great memories of the Moon Club and then heading off to a party afterwards at St Lukes Rd or somewhere else. Never forget one night when the DJ playing the same tune back to back (Unique 3 - The Theme) at the end and the security cut the power only for the whole dancefloor to start singing the tune and refusing to stop dancing. They eventually said fuck it and let him play the tune one more time.
Happy Days
(reminiscent mode) I remember this being played in Zena's when I was back in Plymouth one of my all time top tunes!(/reminiscent mode)
As you were!
Neither can you speak for St Pauls. Not alone; there are other long term residents with other opinions.
You might well be able to shout them down at the Council House, but not here.
I'm not speaking for St Pauls, but for dozens and dozens of inner city areas that are having the heart torn out of them for profit. Round here I'm seeing low priced housing AND traditional social venues falling under the gentrification hammer, on my street and the next. The biggest losers are the poorest residents, often with migrant backrounds.
Please forgive me for not going down the street going "whoop" with the council - or you in your BMW.
tom_craggs
Well-Known Member
I have a few happy memories from Lokota, mid to late 90's - really liked the way the club was set up inside. That the powerhouse, blue mountain, the depot - used to go regularly. However I do remember when Lokota was in the magazines as being Bristol's 'super club' and I do remember having problems with the dress code and stuff...
I don't spend enough time in St. Pauls anymore to comment on how deteriomental or not the development will be to the communities in the area, but it certainly marks the passing of an important place in my personal life in Bristol.
I don't spend enough time in St. Pauls anymore to comment on how deteriomental or not the development will be to the communities in the area, but it certainly marks the passing of an important place in my personal life in Bristol.
Your reply is laughable, when did I claim to have the only opinion? There really was no need to point out the fact about long term residents, I had already mentioned the community associations/groups within St Pauls but I guess its easier for you to ignore the facts or the question.
Instead you choose to come out with hysterical bullshit about me shouting down people at the Council House and driving a BMW, get a grip ffs, is a mature discussion about the facts beyond you?
You seem to have real issues with the idea of aspirational black people don't you, why is that?
(reminiscent mode) I remember this being played in Zena's when I was back in Plymouth one of my all time top tunes!(/reminiscent mode)
As you were!
I've no problem with minorities being succesful. Being an immigrant myself like.
I have a problem with gentrification in inner city areas like the one I've lived in a fair while.
And I will not bend over and accept that gentrification is a good thing becasue a few Black men and women are on the gravy train.
I have a problem with gentrification in inner city areas like the one I've lived in a fair while.
And I will not bend over and accept that gentrification is a good thing becasue a few Black men and women are on the gravy train.
wtf? You clearly have no idea do you? Is the renovation of houses and making them available for purchase by local residents on low incomes count as gentrification? What about the replacing of a crack den with social housing? The plans for increasing the supply of badly needed family sized social housing?
If anything was gentrified it was Lakota 15 years ago when it became an exclusive superclub for the beautiful people, as already stated by myself and other posters but that you would see preserved, how ironic. The fact is that business failed and now the owners wish to change its use to recoup some of their continuing losses, its as simple as that and is not that unusual is it. You might have noticed this happening before or maybe its only a problem for you when Black people are involved eh.
djbombscare
Plays with knives
Well they did it to the Hacienda.
Lakota is probably the closest thing Bristol has to that. Its no real suprise.
Ok the builidng might have been even more historical than just clubland history. But in its current guise to the local old farts in there Wetburbia on curtain twitcher its a symbol of rave culture, drug taking, loud music people being sick and all that is bad with supposed youth/music culture for nigh on the last 15-20 years if not more. You dont get that sort of thing down the constituional.
OK it gets a bit rowdy when they let the laidies darts team in from legion but they wear trousers and sensible shoes.
Fuck em. They can tear down the buildings and we'll go back underground.
They fucking made these places. We were happy in woods fields and wharhouses enjoying ourselves on good drugs. The Criminal justice act made it go mainstream, cos they thought they could contain and control it.
Instead rather then a load of happy people enjoying themselves on good drugs in nice places. You got clubland cashing in ripping people of with shit drugs. All of course washed down with alcohol.
Some 15-16 years on ? We've got binge drinking shitty shitty drugs, people getting shot and stabbed in clubs.. Some of the reasons almost 20 years ago small bands of people decided they were going to do there own parties and not follow the shiny shirt and trouser pisshead route down to the Ritzy for beered up fighting in a controlled and authority regulated environment.
It will move on, there will be new Lakota's and Haciendas for the next generations. But just as the tearing down of the local picture house for my parents was a major crime, its was one of there icons of good times out.These are ours. They call it progress and we cant see it now but in ten years time those 8 year olds blating that min-motorbike wont give a shit, just as we dont that if we want to go to the cinema we have to go to some showcase place out of town.
Its sad but lifes moving on mate. It dont matter who you vote or dont vote for.
Yesterdays history, tomorrow's a mystery, its how you live the now that counts
Lakota is probably the closest thing Bristol has to that. Its no real suprise.
Ok the builidng might have been even more historical than just clubland history. But in its current guise to the local old farts in there Wetburbia on curtain twitcher its a symbol of rave culture, drug taking, loud music people being sick and all that is bad with supposed youth/music culture for nigh on the last 15-20 years if not more. You dont get that sort of thing down the constituional.
OK it gets a bit rowdy when they let the laidies darts team in from legion but they wear trousers and sensible shoes.
Fuck em. They can tear down the buildings and we'll go back underground.
They fucking made these places. We were happy in woods fields and wharhouses enjoying ourselves on good drugs. The Criminal justice act made it go mainstream, cos they thought they could contain and control it.
Instead rather then a load of happy people enjoying themselves on good drugs in nice places. You got clubland cashing in ripping people of with shit drugs. All of course washed down with alcohol.
Some 15-16 years on ? We've got binge drinking shitty shitty drugs, people getting shot and stabbed in clubs.. Some of the reasons almost 20 years ago small bands of people decided they were going to do there own parties and not follow the shiny shirt and trouser pisshead route down to the Ritzy for beered up fighting in a controlled and authority regulated environment.
It will move on, there will be new Lakota's and Haciendas for the next generations. But just as the tearing down of the local picture house for my parents was a major crime, its was one of there icons of good times out.These are ours. They call it progress and we cant see it now but in ten years time those 8 year olds blating that min-motorbike wont give a shit, just as we dont that if we want to go to the cinema we have to go to some showcase place out of town.
Its sad but lifes moving on mate. It dont matter who you vote or dont vote for.
Yesterdays history, tomorrow's a mystery, its how you live the now that counts
djbombscare
Plays with knives
Where we live in Bristol they just put up a load of affordable housing for purchase by local people.
What it actually transpired into was it was affordable housing for property developers/landlords to snap up and rent out to locals at stupid money. I counted 43 to Let boards outside the week after they completed them.
Nice
Gerry1time
Did a wee in Dirac's toilet
Lakota was a what now?
Anyway, surely if it had been, why couldn't the owners run it as a profitable business then?
Can we please lose this obsession with st paul's community groups and their representativeness too, i lived there for a few years and heard sod all from any representative group at any point, least of all any asking me what my views on local matters were.
Absolutely
But of course you evidently don't see young professionals as actually being from the area. Do you realise that is exactly the same mindset that used to be quite common amongst the Police and lead to people from ethnic minorities being accused of stealing their own cars because they happened to be driving BMWs or Mercs.
BlackArab, the accusations and insinuations you're flinging around in the quotes above are utterly disgusting. Apologise to both of us please.
I don't think I'm the one being childish, resorting to implying people are racists just because we disagree with your view is really, really low.
Well they did it to the Hacienda.
Lakota is probably the closest thing Bristol has to that. Its no real suprise.
Ok the builidng might have been even more historical than just clubland history. But in its current guise to the local old farts in there Wetburbia on curtain twitcher its a symbol of rave culture, drug taking, loud music people being sick and all that is bad with supposed youth/music culture for nigh on the last 15-20 years if not more. You dont get that sort of thing down the constituional.
OK it gets a bit rowdy when they let the laidies darts team in from legion but they wear trousers and sensible shoes.
Fuck em. They can tear down the buildings and we'll go back underground.
They fucking made these places. We were happy in woods fields and wharhouses enjoying ourselves on good drugs. The Criminal justice act made it go mainstream, cos they thought they could contain and control it.
Instead rather then a load of happy people enjoying themselves on good drugs in nice places. You got clubland cashing in ripping people of with shit drugs. All of course washed down with alcohol.
Some 15-16 years on ? We've got binge drinking shitty shitty drugs, people getting shot and stabbed in clubs.. Some of the reasons almost 20 years ago small bands of people decided they were going to do there own parties and not follow the shiny shirt and trouser pisshead route down to the Ritzy for beered up fighting in a controlled and authority regulated environment.
It will move on, there will be new Lakota's and Haciendas for the next generations. But just as the tearing down of the local picture house for my parents was a major crime, its was one of there icons of good times out.These are ours. They call it progress and we cant see it now but in ten years time those 8 year olds blating that min-motorbike wont give a shit, just as we dont that if we want to go to the cinema we have to go to some showcase place out of town.
Its sad but lifes moving on mate. It dont matter who you vote or dont vote for.
Yesterdays history, tomorrow's a mystery, its how you live the now that counts
Top post!
Where we live in Bristol they just put up a load of affordable housing for purchase by local people.
What it actually transpired into was it was affordable housing for property developers/landlords to snap up and rent out to locals at stupid money. I counted 43 to Let boards outside the week after they completed them.
Nice
This is the real effect of new developments which aren't council or housing association owned.
I suspect saying this makes me a racist as well
Lakota was a what now?
Anyway, surely if it had been, why couldn't the owners run it as a profitable business then?
Can we please lose this obsession with st paul's community groups and their representativeness too, i lived there for a few years and heard sod all from any representative group at any point, least of all any asking me what my views on local matters were.
I've already mentioned this. Lakota in the mid 90s went for the glam/house/superclub market in a big way. Fair enough but a shitty attitude developed around it including door pickers telling people they couldn't go in because they werent wearing the right type of clothes or hadn't made enough effort. How would you have felt if you arrived for a night out and were pulled out of a queue by some wanker laughing at your choice of footwear and telling you to go home?
Seriously, would you go back in a hurry?
This elitist attitude is just one factor in its demise but a significant one imo as quite simply, a lot of people stopped going. Also you have to factor in that clubbers don't travel into Bristol from Cardiff, Swindon or further afield as much as they used to when Lakota was in its heyday.
re: community groups, my 'obsession' as you put it
comes from a genuine concern about area I grew up in. When I see local community activists from the area working to improve their own enviroment, I'm proud, when their efforts are belittled I will defend them, its that simple. To often the work that goes on by activists at grassroots level is marginalised or unseen while the local authorities and politicos take the credit. If you're genuinely interested in knowing more you can find it here. They've recently been advertising for more people to join. http://www.stpaulsunlimited.org.uk/
Well he made a long post about the way in which the loss of Lakota as a nightclub would (or wouldn't) impact on my life. Which isn't my concern at all so I think he did miss my point slightly, yes.
I wasn't racist at all actually, there was nothing to be offended by unless you were trying really hard to read something that wasn't there. Same goes for Isambard as well so apologise to him also please. My concern is for working class people in St Pauls rather than 'young professionals', black or otherwise. I don't care whether those young professionals are local or otherwise, I care more about the single parents etc I know who were evicted from their homes and community to make way for this development on Ashley Road you think is so wonderful.
Gerry1time
Did a wee in Dirac's toilet
That's more like it, first time i've ever seen anyone promote the opportunity to get involved in these community groups.
They still seem to be pigeon holing a set of reps by their age or skin colour, which is a shame, but JTG, you should stand for election man! We could get an urban crew out canvassing door to door...
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
I dont think it is for you to say what should or should not offend other people. Just cos you dont intend to be offensive does not mean offence will not be taken, maybe it would more helpful to understand why.
Young professionals can be working class cant they?
Wont the development at Lakota mean that a percentage of the housing will be Social housing? If so then that will be more social housing then if Lakota remains surely?
I understand why perfectly well, he's elected to misinterpret prqactically every argument I've put forward on here.
Not my problem if he wants to do that really.
I thought you were joking as I've seen their literature and posters all over the area. I'm glad you're interested, I'm hoping to get involved some way myself and they were saying they needed people to deliver leaflets. You've proved that right.
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