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Could the BNP ever get into government?

Could the BNP become a national government?


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55% say the BNP has a point in saying "it wishes to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people";

That's depressingly high. :(

Things like this dont help....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

(apologies for taking this link from another thread but I think it has a validity here)

I have always been of the school of thought which says anyone but the BNP and the only time I would ever envisage voting Labour would be if it meant stopping the BNP winning.

And the truth is that I still would but if this article is true, and I still have my doubts, then it does mean that as a white working class person voting Labour would be effectively voting for a party who not only despise me but wish to weaken my position both economically and socially by importing in outsiders.

How can a political movement that was started by the Trade Union movement and is still funded by them turn out like this ?

My old Grandad would be turning in his grave.
 
55% say the BNP has a point in saying "it wishes to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people";

That's depressingly high. :(

Small comfort: around half the people asked understood the question. Which I somehow suspected was formulated to drive Tory policy toward intolerance.

What many of the others heard:

  • Are you a person? check
  • Are you British? check
  • Are you white? check
  • Are you indigenous? eh? oh, yes
  • Mumble mumble "speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people" oh yes!
 
55% say the BNP has a point in saying "it wishes to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people";

That's depressingly high. :(

I don't know why it is depressing, I have met plenty of people who feel their needs are not usually bothered with by mainstream politicians.

I don't think it can be denied that Griffins argument about looking after the indigenous British is a seductive one for many people.
 
After all, the great leader (Brown) said himself:

British Jobs for British Workers

Which is exactly the same thing as "speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people"
 
Basically the answer is 'no', but that doesn't mean that a similar party couldn't get in, like the UKIP, on similar policies as others have said.
 
Do people think the BNP could ever take power?

I'm not sure why so many people are so definate that it couldn't happen. Fascist organisations have taken power over many different decades in countries all around the world. So can't see a reason it couldn't happen here.

Nah... it won't happen ever. One of the big differences between us and our fellow Europeans is our inclination not to comply, we are an unruly non -complying lot.

I recently went on a trip to Germany (been there several times in my life) and I was struck by several things ;

1. Pelican lights, without exception in the whole two weeks I did not see one person cross when the red man light was on. That don't happen here

2. Railway/metro (Was in Kohn) no ticket barriers, no ticket checks this is due to the fact they comply - they get tickets they pay their way. They are trusted to because the vast majority of Germans comply with the 'rules'

3. Cameras in our Country they are everywhere. In Kohn a fairly sizeable city I did not see one camera - why?

The Germans will do as they are told, that's why, they comply it is easy to understand how and why Nazism took control over there when you consider that aspect of their psyche . Whereas over here we are lying bunch of thieving scumbags who don't like being told what to do! Bendy buses - I would reckon half the people that go on these buses don't swipe their oyster card or pay the fare! The Germans do as the state tells them, they don't need cameras in Kohn in the way we have, I rather suspect that every person pays the fare in Kohn despite the opportunity to simply walk through with very little checks and no barriers, (apart from British tourists !)

There is a huge difference in the psyche of the people in this country and those of Germans /Italians and the Spanish the main three European countries that have flirted with the far right.

Fascism will not rule our shores and the same goes for Communism. It just won't happen.

If you really look at the BNP and Nick Griffin you can see the pysche difference in them, they may have racist/sexist/homophobic views and a warped take on things the majority of us are ok with, but most of the BNP are disaffected and ignorant ex Tory voters longing for the return of Thatcher there is not the absolutism in there views in the way there was with Hitler and the rest of the merry bunch of Fascist. I got the impression that Griffin was trying to moderate his stance in order to be liked more, I just don't see him as a 'Hitler', a vile knob of a human being yes, but not capable of genocidal thoughts or actions in the way the Nazis truly were.

The irony of all this is the fact the BNP will see a rise in their membership, all as a result of the recent furore and press coverage and for the reasons I stated above , the BNP have been so lambasted within the media that a certain section of the public are backlashing at the image of the BNP being thrust upon them as something you must not go near or vote for. The best way to get us to vote for something is to tell us we mustn't vote for something.

The fact remains that in the twenties/thirties Fascism exploded most notably Germany/Italy/Spain. and whilst yes we had Mosely (Who went from Tory to Labour party to sucking Mussolinis knob) and the BUF/brownshirts, Fascism did not take a real hold here then - did it? And it is not going to happen now or in the future -is it?
 
Yeah because Hitler and Mussolini were right lookers..........

That was 80 years ago...different times now and a different country.

The only way it might happen now is if we made a reality TV show out of it.... We could all vote for a dictator and we could call it say Dic Factor! Could be fun and the viewer ratings would be high!
 
I voted yes, but only in the same way that that i could theoretically get into government.
 
If you really look at the BNP and Nick Griffin you can see the pysche difference in them, they may have racist/sexist/homophobic views and a warped take on things the majority of us are ok with, but most of the BNP are disaffected and ignorant ex Tory voters longing for the return of Thatcher there is not the absolutism in there views in the way there was with Hitler and the rest of the merry bunch of Fascist.

Ignorant ex what ?
 
Nah... it won't happen ever. One of the big differences between us and our fellow Europeans is our inclination not to comply, we are an unruly non -complying lot.

I recently went on a trip to Germany (been there several times in my life) and I was struck by several things ;

1. Pelican lights, without exception in the whole two weeks I did not see one person cross when the red man light was on. That don't happen here

2. Railway/metro (Was in Kohn) no ticket barriers, no ticket checks this is due to the fact they comply - they get tickets they pay their way. They are trusted to because the vast majority of Germans comply with the 'rules'

3. Cameras in our Country they are everywhere. In Kohn a fairly sizeable city I did not see one camera - why?

The Germans will do as they are told, that's why, they comply it is easy to understand how and why Nazism took control over there when you consider that aspect of their psyche . Whereas over here we are lying bunch of thieving scumbags who don't like being told what to do! Bendy buses - I would reckon half the people that go on these buses don't swipe their oyster card or pay the fare! The Germans do as the state tells them, they don't need cameras in Kohn in the way we have, I rather suspect that every person pays the fare in Kohn despite the opportunity to simply walk through with very little checks and no barriers, (apart from British tourists !)

There is a huge difference in the psyche of the people in this country and those of Germans /Italians and the Spanish the main three European countries that have flirted with the far right.

Fascism will not rule our shores and the same goes for Communism. It just won't happen.

If you really look at the BNP and Nick Griffin you can see the pysche difference in them, they may have racist/sexist/homophobic views and a warped take on things the majority of us are ok with, but most of the BNP are disaffected and ignorant ex Tory voters longing for the return of Thatcher there is not the absolutism in there views in the way there was with Hitler and the rest of the merry bunch of Fascist. I got the impression that Griffin was trying to moderate his stance in order to be liked more, I just don't see him as a 'Hitler', a vile knob of a human being yes, but not capable of genocidal thoughts or actions in the way the Nazis truly were.

The irony of all this is the fact the BNP will see a rise in their membership, all as a result of the recent furore and press coverage and for the reasons I stated above , the BNP have been so lambasted within the media that a certain section of the public are backlashing at the image of the BNP being thrust upon them as something you must not go near or vote for. The best way to get us to vote for something is to tell us we mustn't vote for something.

The fact remains that in the twenties/thirties Fascism exploded most notably Germany/Italy/Spain. and whilst yes we had Mosely (Who went from Tory to Labour party to sucking Mussolinis knob) and the BUF/brownshirts, Fascism did not take a real hold here then - did it? And it is not going to happen now or in the future -is it?

Every single factual claim in this post is wrong. The rest is crude national stereotyping and nothing to do with politics.
 
Exactly how many 3rd parties have broken into govt since, say, 1832.
Labour in 1924, and the Liberals in 1977. But I don't know in what sense Gmarthews that a similar party could "get in".

A tiny party like the BNP will not form a government. And I can't even imagine any of the other parties forming any sort of pact with them, supposing they had a handful of MPs in a balance of power situation.

But I can imagine a minority Tory government feeling they need to "act tough" on various issues because of an increased BNP presence. That'll be the impact they could have: to influence the mainstream political discourse.
 
2. Railway/metro (Was in Kohn) no ticket barriers, no ticket checks this is due to the fact they comply - they get tickets they pay their way. They are trusted to because the vast majority of Germans comply with the 'rules'
Goldene's tackled 3. so I though I'd to 2.

Broadly, there are two approaches to ticket checks. First, there is the way that is used in Britain, which is to check often and impose relatively minor penalties. The other approach is used in Brussels, and I would wager a lot of money that it is the same in Kohn: you hardly ever check, but when you do and you catch someone, they are in serious trouble and will end up with a big fine and a criminal record. Both methods will get the majority buying tickets.
 
1. Pelican lights, without exception in the whole two weeks I did not see one person cross when the red man light was on. That don't happen here
As for 1, it is very true, and very odd to our eyes, that most Germans will stand and wait for the man to go green even when there is no car in sight.

It would be interesting to play a prank and leave the light on red and see how long it took for them to overcome their aversion to crossing on red. Then again, I remember a film-maker who came to Britain and was amazed that cars stopped at zebra crossings to let him cross – in fact people step out even before the car has signalled that it will stop. So, as a prank, he filmed himself walking back and forward across the crossing, holding up the traffic.

One last point – the smoking ban. When was the last time you saw anyone in Britain breaking it? And yet there isn't anyone around to enforce it normally.
 
Do people think the BNP could ever take power?

I'm not sure why so many people are so definate that it couldn't happen. Fascist organisations have taken power over many different decades in countries all around the world. So can't see a reason it couldn't happen here.

they don't need to .. that is not their function
 
I don't know why it is depressing, I have met plenty of people who feel their needs are not usually bothered with by mainstream politicians.
This characteristic seems to be applicable across most Euro-democracies, though, so it's hard to gauge the source and validity of this discontent. We could generalise and blame "dirty politicians", "the credit crunch" or "rising unemployment", but we should also acknowledge that some people feel this way because they're sold a narrative that says they should feel that way, that alienates them from what might be considered their usual political allegiances, and that some people might use the "they don't do anything for us" narrative as a figleaf for pre-existing prejudices which they haven't previously felt comfortable expressing.
I don't think it can be denied that Griffins argument about looking after the indigenous British is a seductive one for many people.
Depends what you mean by "many", I suppose.
 
The BNP could never get into power because labour and the Tories both have let too many immigrants into the country and so we are now out numbered. The Asian Nationalist Party stands a better chance. Britain for the Asians, Get Whitey out.


;)
 
Nah... it won't happen ever. One of the big differences between us and our fellow Europeans is our inclination not to comply, we are an unruly non -complying lot.

I recently went on a trip to Germany (been there several times in my life) and I was struck by several things ;

1. Pelican lights, without exception in the whole two weeks I did not see one person cross when the red man light was on. That don't happen here

Look up the "jay-walking" fines that the different municipalities set to see why!
Let's just say it's a very expensive bad habit to cultivate! :D
 
2. Railway/metro (Was in Kohn) no ticket barriers, no ticket checks this is due to the fact they comply - they get tickets they pay their way. They are trusted to because the vast majority of Germans comply with the 'rules'
Again, the fines are a lot higher than ours, and the likelihood of a criminal record is greater.
3. Cameras in our Country they are everywhere. In Kohn a fairly sizeable city I did not see one camera - why?
Because you weren't looking?
You do have to actually look for them though, as they tend to be "blended in" rather better with the local architecture than the "three cameras on a sawn-off lamp-post" shite over here.
The Germans will do as they are told, that's why, they comply it is easy to understand how and why Nazism took control over there when you consider that aspect of their psyche .
You're putting the cart before the horse.
Most of the German states, even before unification in the 19th century, had strict regimes. Unification didn't change that. In fact you might say that with a Prussian monarchy, things went from bad to worse. Compliance didn't come because the people were sheep, but because of a long history of repression that was only truly superceded by Weimar, which introduced a democratic brand of repression instead. :) The whole "obedient German" trope has its roots in the Prussian Junkers, not in the willing actions of the German people. One should always take care to distinguish between the two.
 
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