Could community canteens help beat the capitalist system
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, what about DS?
Fuchs66
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I quite like the idea, sort of a "souped up soup kitchen", but not quite sure how it would work where exactly does the food come from? (you've been pretty vague on that so far). Would you squat the premises or would you rent/own, if so where does the money come from?
I see the point about reducing the need for the needy/normal to pay for some essentials but there are other things in life and food alone wont solve the problems of society (although might help).
I see the point about reducing the need for the needy/normal to pay for some essentials but there are other things in life and food alone wont solve the problems of society (although might help).
biff curtains
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jonH said:
No.
It would however be great if it could be done - maybe you should launch a pilot project where you live and see how it goes. Start small, breakfasts for kids before school maybe? Or one big evening meal a week... The Blackpanthers did it, and religious groups have been doing it for years.
it might not break the system but it certainly could be a springboard for new ideas and projects. I'm planning on setting something here, the biggest problem is the venue, we have settle on a cellar underneath a friends house and are now in the process of installing a wood burning stove and cleaning it up a bit. One of the nearest parallels that I can think of is old peoples lunch clubs.biff curtains said:
The people involved at the moment have decided that it will be run on very basic rules, what the owner of the cellar says goes, it's a kind of dictatorship, but past experience suggests that committee run activities soon seize up due to the battle of egos that inevitably ensues
and it's not vegan, dairy meat and veg will be served up and cooked separately
GarfieldLeChat
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yes specifcially what any revolution needs is the minority of people disenfranchising the majority with hardline militant viewpoints with limited scientific basis and a whole lot of voodoo nonsense... fuck it manditory dream catchers and katans for all too... and reki, stone healing, cupping, physic massage, astral projection and dream interpretation too... we all know that the only good bolshelvik is one who has come to terms with their inner child and has now realigned their chakrahs for this phase of the moon....citydreams said:Innit.. I've long dreamt of turning every McDonalds into a community vegan cafe..
London Animal Action have a good habit of handing out vegan burgers outside McD's on MayDay
what is the consistant obsession with nonsense voodoo that all left wing groups seem to court...
scumbalina
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GarfieldLeChat said:
To be fair, are london Animal action a left wing group? Surely their just an animal welfare group?
GarfieldLeChat
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I think i'm taking this off topic but is was reffernce really to a whole heap of nonsense bollocks which is co-opted by lifestylist muppets who think becuase they are right on in their bollotics that this in some way carries defference into the other moronic ideas they have in their lives, for example like faddy eatting habits...scumbalina said:
Ironically, faddy eatting (including perpetual diets, vegitarianism, veganism, fruitarianism, annorexia, bluemia etc) are all a product of the reaction to the capitalist system we have and are as invaild in a revolutionary sense and any other thing which is born with in the constrains/limiation of that system...
A reaction to capitalism is merely a reflection of it's values or a rejection of them however by accepting that there is a postive/negaitve trade off is in essence argueing about the two sides of the same coin. it insists to you that the inital coin has some value at all and that you buy in to that beleif struture in the first place. It requires that you view capitalism as the default state. and that acceptance or rejection of it are choices, which isn't true.
In this way we should be suprised whent hey decide that those who no longer make the grade (under capitalism's strict definitions) will be cast out or aside once their ability to generate or consume has been expended. The logical extension of this policy is of course the gas chamber and the incinerator. After all cease to provide a function of capital within society you are using up valuable resources whcih could be taken by some one more deserving than you and by deserving we mean with capital still to consume...
soap kicthens, those on the bread line, these trappings of social communial and human interaction are an anathema to capitalism. there is no short term profit in them continuing... particularlly not when there's a fablious niche market there darling for privatising and commercailising aid, NGO's, charities and everything else which means we can then tax and profit from the situation.
citydreams
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GarfieldLeChat said:
pmsl.
citydreams
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scumbalina said:
Well, there was a lot of talk about opening a community cafe for a while.
/shock
GarfieldLeChat
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well that makes them dyed in the wool pinkos then ...citydreams said:
GarfieldLeChat
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herezenie said:link??
it's an comment from my own opinion as such i cannot provide a link directly other than to of course point out that the instant comodification of all aspects of life including the entire human being would then result in coformists to that system adopting the populaist viewpoints of that dogma and ahereing to them. this would include trying to attain the circumstantial and utterly personal perspective of beauty, and the pursuit of it.
citydreams
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zenie said:link??
GarfieldLeChat
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awr whatsdahmatterbaby?citydreams said:
not actually got a point ot make so have to post pictures, well done, did JC2 teach you that...???
GarfieldLeChat
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contrav ersail i noez to have an opinion in these parts...zenie said:Ohok, so to clarify it's your opinion, ok
particularlly if it's not geordie or hippydream certified first...
citydreams
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GarfieldLeChat said:
er, yes, I was pointing and laughing.
Arguments about diet have been around longer than arguments about capitalism.
And to suggest that a diet cannot be used as a revolutionary means seems slightly pompous given the turmoil that British farmers find themseleves in, and industrial farming general.
zenie
>^^<
GarfieldLeChat said:contrav ersail i noez to have an opinion in these parts...
particularlly if it's not geordie or hippydream certified first...
Nah it's just a bit ludicrous that you think anorexia or bulimia, not a faddy diet is a result of caitalism garf... and I think you know that
GarfieldLeChat
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nah actually i'd say it's the envitable consicuence of capitalism. after all the ultimate form of alineation is from ones self after which point you can be manipulated as much as is wanted or needed... you think that the system as is doesn't invest heavily in this this area or in comodification of humanity in this manner...zenie said:Nah it's just a bit ludicrous that you think anorexia or bulimia, not a faddy diet is a result of caitalism garf... and I think you know that
that's ludicrous
zenie
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GarfieldLeChat said:nah actually i'd say it's the envitable consicuence of capitalism. after all the ultimate form of alineation is from ones self after which point you can be manipulated as much as is wanted or needed... you think that the system as is doesn't invest heavily in this this area or in comodification of humanity in this manner...
that's ludicrous
So how long do you think eating disorder's have been around for?
It's deeply insulting to those who've suffered from eating disorders for you to tell them they're caused by the capitalist system.
GarfieldLeChat
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rubbish, on all counts i'm afraid.zenie said:So how long do you think eating disorder's have been around for?
It's deeply insulting to those who've suffered from eating disorders for you to tell them they're caused by the capitalist system.
yes that's right it's insulting to suggest that people with a manipulated enviroment would find themselves manipulated by it i mean other wise they'd set enormous agengies and industries to do that manipulation and to produce short films radio diaglouge and television programs which were deicated to that whole aim wouldn't they. Indeed there'd even be maniscripts written which dealt in heavly edited subtext of no one will shag you if you don't look like we tell you. these might even be publsihed montly intially and then be brougth to fortnightly and even weekly. That message would in a manipulated enviroment of course not be left to be defined by the indivdual but would be reneforced daily in new publications, tv internet and all forms of media.
yes it's insulting to suggest that's what's happening...
alternatively it would only be insulting to anyone if they were previously unaware of the level of manipluation they were recieving...
insulting; are you even vaugle aware of what you are saying.
hey you people with eatting disorders you should be insulted because this blokes sais there is a direct and corrilatory bell curve between the system of capitalism and the alienation of the indivual...
Personally, i'd find it insulting that you'd dare dane to speak for all people with eatting disorders... particualrlly when you appear to have no concept of the level of manipulation which is underlying within the system as is in order to promote that level of control loss in the first place...
good one...
citydreams
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GarfieldLeChat said:
You know how you were talking about alienating people? Well, perhaps you should take a look at your own attitude before you start trying to solve other people's. Just a suggestion
GarfieldLeChat
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ywan...citydreams said:You know how you were talking about alienating people? Well, perhaps you should take a look at your own attitude before you start trying to solve other people's. Just a suggestion
citydreams
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GarfieldLeChat said:
quelle suprise..
GarfieldLeChat
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any chance of you engauging in debate rather than personal attacks??citydreams said:
zenie
>^^<
citydreams said:quelle suprise..
Ha! so true!!
Garf I was having light hearted fun with you but you can't even do that, you make an arse out of yourself with barely legible posts!
Insulting for me - as someone who suffered with anxiety attacks and an eating disorder YOU telling ME that I suffered this because of a capitalist system is fuckin bollox. (You didn't 'suggest' anything you stated it and palmed it off with 'faddy diets')
Seeing as your girlfriend has also suffered from eating disorders I'm very surprised at your narrow minded response.
GarfieldLeChat
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zenie said:Ha! so true!!
Garf I was having light hearted fun with you but you can't even do that, you make an arse out of yourself with barely legible posts!
right ...
care to dispute in a well constructed arguement why I'm wrong? i'd love to see you reasoning... i really would...
zenie said:
well you do.
think about it.
if you feel insulted rather than empowered then i can't really help you there.
it doesn't cahnge the fact that billions is spent every month on advertising aimed at alienating your from yourself in every possible form of media and that it's aimed mainly at women, and that this has been going on since the turn of the industrail revolution, coinceding nicely with the rise of modern capitalism the system which turns all things into commodities to be bought and sold. the fact that you think that you can in someway neigate this ever present factor is charming but ultimately unworkable. unless you have some kind of good life yurt living yougurt weaving lifestyle intended where you no longer use any of the trappings of the system. however, even then it's likely that the physcological damage of any preexisitng condition would exert itself over even that eventuality.
You and indeed everyone else aren't seperate from the system as is, why would you expect that it wouldn't exert influences on you or others?
are you that impervious to advertising?
In which case i assume you are some new kind of human we are previously unaware of....
zenie said:
again with the personal jesus not very good at this whole moral high ground thing are you....
GarfieldLeChat
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ah so it's the faddy diets which you have taken a dislike to as a statment...zenie said:
right...
not any of the resoned logical argument the one statement...
sorry to say that they are faddy diets, veganism vegitarianism weight watchers, annorexia and bulimea.
A diet defined.
faddy as in the phrase for a a temporary fashion, notion, manner of conduct, which is largly influenced by fashion charchterised by being followed by a large group.
again anything to dispute about either of the defintions or their use in the discussion....
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