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Considering a move to New Zealand, info appreciated

Hmmm... that doesn't really sound like a reccommendation to the OP, who is odds on likely to be a Pakee.
 
Sample life in NZ without leaving London ?Just follow these simple steps for a perfect taster:

1) reduce your salary by 50%
2)Imagine that everyone around you averages about 5ft 2 inches in height
3) hang around Sheperds Bush/ Action town
4) Compress your words so that every vowel is distorted, eg Sex shoudl be prononcced as "Six"
5)Limit yourself to drinking Steinlager Only all the fuckin time
6) refuse to go to bars that dont play crowded house fuckin 24/7
7) go to the church at KingsX on sunday mornings & cop off with short wide girls with fuckin herpes
8) Refuse to talk about anything that doesnt involve a) what a great place NZ is & b) How great Rugby is
9) develop an intense jealousy/ hatred of laid back Australians
10) try to spend as much time as you can away from NZ.


Easy .
 
[Sample life in NZ without leaving London ?Just follow these simple steps for a perfect taster:

1) reduce your salary by 50%. Yup.
2)Imagine that everyone around you averages about 5ft 2 inches in height. Kiwis tend to be a bit taller than most UKers I've seen.
3) hang around Sheperds Bush/ Action town. Yeah, ghettos suck.
4) Compress your words so that every vowel is distorted, eg Sex shoudl be prononcced as "Six". No funny accents in the UK then...
5)Limit yourself to drinking Steinlager Only all the fuckin time. All lager is shit, whatever its name. Give 'em time. If they can make one of the world's best vodkas there they'll get into real ale soon enough.
6) refuse to go to bars that dont play crowded house fuckin 24/7. Australian band, I think you'll find. ;)
7) go to the church at KingsX on sunday mornings & cop off with short wide girls with fuckin herpes. Looks like you attract the wrong sort of girl, my friend.
8) Refuse to talk about anything that doesnt involve a) what a great place NZ is & b) How great Rugby is. Kiwis are some of the biggest critics of their own country of all people I know. They just don't like to hear it from a non-Kiwi.
9) develop an intense jealousy/ hatred of laid back Australians. Nah, it's just that there isn't the love affair like between the English and Australia.
10) try to spend as much time as you can away from NZ. Yup. When you head 12,000 miles away you don't return too soon.
 
Poi E said:
[Sample life in NZ without leaving London ?Just follow these simple steps for a perfect taster:

1) reduce your salary by 50%. Yup.
2)Imagine that everyone around you averages about 5ft 2 inches in height. Kiwis tend to be a bit taller than most UKers I've seen.
3) hang around Sheperds Bush/ Action town. Yeah, ghettos suck.
4) Compress your words so that every vowel is distorted, eg Sex shoudl be prononcced as "Six". No funny accents in the UK then...
5)Limit yourself to drinking Steinlager Only all the fuckin time. All lager is shit, whatever its name. Give 'em time. If they can make one of the world's best vodkas there they'll get into real ale soon enough.
6) refuse to go to bars that dont play crowded house fuckin 24/7. Australian band, I think you'll find. ;)
7) go to the church at KingsX on sunday mornings & cop off with short wide girls with fuckin herpes. Looks like you attract the wrong sort of girl, my friend.
8) Refuse to talk about anything that doesnt involve a) what a great place NZ is & b) How great Rugby is. Kiwis are some of the biggest critics of their own country of all people I know. They just don't like to hear it from a non-Kiwi.
9) develop an intense jealousy/ hatred of laid back Australians. Nah, it's just that there isn't the love affair like between the English and Australia.
10) try to spend as much time as you can away from NZ. Yup. When you head 12,000 miles away you don't return too soon.

maybe my experience of Kiwi culture is a little bit "twisted". ;)
 
Poi E said:
5. Feeling of less of a threat of violence on a night out..
I read that the murder rate over there is twice the UK. I've not seen that backed up but the NZ papers were full of grisly goings on when I was there


Poi E said:
£4000 for nice chunk of land aint bad and you start to plan your return.
Where you gonna land for that money in NZ? I'm sure we can check via t'internet, but off the top if my head I'd have said 100k an acre upwards
 
zoltan69 said:
maybe my experience of Kiwi culture is a little bit "twisted". ;)

small country, much, much poorer than the UK, miles from anywhere and living in some pretty inhospitable terrain (floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes...) and right next to the United States of Australia makes em jumpy.
 
Spion said:
Where you gonna land for that money in NZ? I'm sure we can check via t'internet, but off the top if my head I'd have said 100k an acre upwards

You got to know where to look.

The murder rate is higher than the UK, for sure.
 
having spent LONG years working & mixing with itinerant Kiwis, I once came across a lone Australian working in the fast moving world of banking ( Zzzzzzzzzzzzz).. I asked him how come that for such a small country, how come there were so many Kiwis working in the city.

he told me that that NZ produces a massive amunt of vocationally qualified professionals, but virtually nothing/ no one in terms of culture/Literature & whatever- He likened it them to the Irish - the good ones ( eg behan/ Shaw/bacon/ geldof ;) ) have to get out beacsue the crippling dullness & orthodoxy of their home country numbs the brain & produces automatons, whereas Australia nurtures originality & embraces the individual.

Was I getting a baised view ?
 
I dunno. I've noticed that Aussies tend to be a bit more flat-pack.

As for culture, well there goes another one who reckons that European culture is where it ends...

Funny place, Europe. Why so many Kiwis died for the place I don't know.
 
I reckon conscription had a fair bit to do with it.

NZ has become a lot less provincial in the last 5-10 years, but it's still a population half the size of London's in an area larger than Britain, so if what you want is a bustling megalopolis then you might want to look elsewhere.

My gf is from NI, and it seems to me that the difference between the kiwi and Irish diasporas is that pretty much all kiwis go back eventually, whereas for the Irish it's usually a one-way ticket.
 
Fruitloop said:
I reckon conscription had a fair bit to do with it.
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Yeah, come to think of it!

Seems the most vibrant art coming out of Aussie is Aboriginal, and the state has done little to nurture that culture.
 
It's made sustained attempts to exterminate it, if you want to look at it that way. A quick comparison of race-relations in the two countries gives the lie to the image of all those laid-back aussie individualists and their uptight kiwi cousins, I reckon.
 
I have heard that the NZ state has all sorts of quotas and other positive descrimination stuff which is largely used by europeans with one maori great grandfather to get preferential access to college and state jobs. Any truth in that?
 
Idaho said:
I have heard that the NZ state has all sorts of quotas and other positive descrimination stuff which is largely used by europeans with one maori great grandfather to get preferential access to college and state jobs. Any truth in that?

There's no actual positive discrimination that I'm aware of, but equal opportunities stuff is taken very seriously. The situation wrt race relations isn't really comparable to the UK, though, so there are a lot of differences around this kind of stuff.
 
Idaho said:
I have heard that the NZ state has all sorts of quotas and other positive descrimination stuff which is largely used by europeans with one maori great grandfather to get preferential access to college and state jobs. Any truth in that?

Would have to do some research. There are grants and places in Uni available for people of Maori descent, but the only people I've know who got those were Maori. There's not a huge amount of incentives offered as far as I know.
 
Fruitloop said:
It's made sustained attempts to exterminate it, if you want to look at it that way. A quick comparison of race-relations in the two countries gives the lie to the image of all those laid-back aussie individualists and their uptight kiwi cousins, I reckon.

Race relations struck me as fairly grim when I was in NZ. The immigration officer who dealt with us off the plane went into a rant about the Chinese trying to take over (there were some behind us in the queue) and the next day in Christchurch city centre we came across the National Front having a little rally in a town square.

I guess like many places people just rub along, but the degree of alienation and in some cases barely concealed hostility from maori was pretty noticeable
 
Spion said:
Race relations struck me as fairly grim when I was in NZ. The immigration officer who dealt with us off the plane went into a rant about the Chinese trying to take over (there were some behind us in the queue) and the next day in Christchurch city centre we came across the National Front having a little rally in a town square.

I guess like many places people just rub along, but the degree of alienation and in some cases barely concealed hostility from maori was pretty noticeable

Yeah, you'll get some pissed off Maori, but do you really wonder?

You get the fash, but they're not the organised, European style of fash. It's pretty damn hard to say anyone is a "real Kiwi" because it's very mixed. You don't get the ghettoes of people like you have in the UK with groups living side-by-side but knowing very little about each other.
 
Poi E said:
Yeah, you'll get some pissed off Maori, but do you really wonder?
No. I don't blame em at all


Poi E said:
You get the fash, but they're not the organised, European style of fash. It's pretty damn hard to say anyone is a "real Kiwi" because it's very mixed. You don't get the ghettoes of people like you have in the UK with groups living side-by-side but knowing very little about each other.

These guys were old style fash - skins. I figured they could get away with that in Christchurch but wouldn't have lasted 2 mins in many other places
 
Spion said:
These guys were old style fash - skins. I figured they could get away with that in Christchurch but wouldn't have lasted 2 mins in many other places

I knew a guy who was head of a gang of skins but he was Maori. Didn't seem to bother them and he wore the swatika. I gues something was lost in the translation.

Kiwis do get quite fervant about things, though, like with the monetarist madness that went on there. Seemed like every prick was talking about the "maaarket" as the panacea to all ills a while back. I'd hate to see that turn into something extreme. Probabaly the most likely would be a nationalist movement of Maori and Pakeha against new immigration. As it stands with a centrist government the immigration is still tough, unless you can buy your way in.
 
I was gonna say that a lot of this stuff that would have specific meanings elsewhere (like a skinhead) gets a bit 'lot in translation' in NZ, particularly in more rural areas. I reckon with a lot of people it would be as much a fashion statement or role that they're playing as much as anything else.

A maori skin would be a thing to see though. :eek: :D
 
Fruitloop said:
I was gonna say that a lot of this stuff that would have specific meanings elsewhere (like a skinhead) gets a bit 'lot in translation' in NZ, particularly in more rural areas. I reckon with a lot of people it would be as much a fashion statement or role that they're playing as much as anything else.

A maori skin would be a thing to see though. :eek: :D

A bunch of skin heads sitting around, smoking weed, saying "cher bro" and listening to Bob Marley was a funny thing indeed.
 
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