No. They don't.
Someone earning the minimum wage, who also owns a car, and chooses to drive it into the very centre of London, on weekdays, rather than use the tube or bus, would have to pay it.
Clear?
Congestion charge proposed for Manchester - how was it for London?
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No. They don't.
Someone earning the minimum wage, who also owns a car, and chooses to drive it into the very centre of London, on weekdays, rather than use the tube or bus, would have to pay it.
Clear?
fredfelt
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So long as we do the same for pedestrians. Deal?
And drivers - if you want to take your driving test you must pass a cycle test first
Crispy
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This would be fantastic
Crispy
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nah, that's not practical for many people
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
The CC is just one tool to reduce overall congestion levels.
The reality is there's still far too much congestion & pollution in London. Air quality levels regularly drop below EU standards and there's just stacks of traffic jams all around London during rush hour. What do the anti-CC lobby propose ?
Personally I'd make the CC area bigger, Zones 1&2 and look at reducing the no. of buses in particular areas, e.g. a bit more getting off one bus to catch another kind of thing.
Also bring in the bike hire scheme, works brilliantly in French cities, people are lazy so they'd happily swipe their credit card and hop on a bike if it was just there.
The reality is there's still far too much congestion & pollution in London. Air quality levels regularly drop below EU standards and there's just stacks of traffic jams all around London during rush hour. What do the anti-CC lobby propose ?
Personally I'd make the CC area bigger, Zones 1&2 and look at reducing the no. of buses in particular areas, e.g. a bit more getting off one bus to catch another kind of thing.
Also bring in the bike hire scheme, works brilliantly in French cities, people are lazy so they'd happily swipe their credit card and hop on a bike if it was just there.
I agree a bigger congestion charge area would be great - as long as there were not the 90% reductions for residents that we currently have which means that your average well to do Kensington person can drive where they like for miniscule cost.
I dont know what the exact figures would be but I bet a good proportion of the traffic in South London town centres such as Brixton, Camberwell, Streatham etc is made up of traffic passing through which makes absolutely no contribution to the prosperity of the area whilst polluting and causing congestion - we need to have some way that the polluters and congesters contribute to the local area. Extending the cc zone outwards would be a start and might just start people thinking about whether they need to drive or could possibly take public transport instead.
On your other note the bike hire scheme is coming - the tender documents were published by TfL this week and local authorities have for the past few months been identifying sites where the hire bikes could be located: I think the plan is to have groups of say 20 bikes all together near to railway stations etc so that people can hire them on the spot. TfL say that initially the scheme will be operational across zone 1 so that travellers arriving into say Waterloo or London Bridge railway station could hire a bike and complete their journey by bike. There is further information at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/cycling/cycle-hire-scheme/
I am hugely in favour of the CC (before, during and after) as a pedestrian and cyclist in London. It's really improved the streetscape. BTW, I was living just outside the zone when it was introduced, and despite the FUD spread by the Tories and others, there was no significant traffic increase/parking by people trying to avoid the charge - preimplementation traffic changes and rezzies' zones had taken care of that.
Also, as an occasional driver, I don't mind it, because it's now much quicker to drive across London. My bro, who is in construction and uses vans, thinks the same.
Also, as an occasional driver, I don't mind it, because it's now much quicker to drive across London. My bro, who is in construction and uses vans, thinks the same.
True - and the CC was just one part of a massive transportation plan for London, for which I think Ken was underappreciated compared to the complete fuckfest that preceded him. Also, you can't have decent public transportation with all these frigging private cars choking the roads, and you can't build roads to expand your way out of congestion.
citydreams
on the road again
and you've met him then?
ajdown
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I notice he's slunk back into obscurity now that he's no longer considered important. I avoid anything he is involved in like the plague.
I stopped listening to LBC once they gave him a show on there.
He's treated like some kind of god by some lefties round here who can't comprehend he could do anything wrong - whereas the truth of the matter is that he didn't do much right.
citydreams
on the road again
He's done no such thing.. I had a drink with him last week as it happens. He'd just come back from Hong Kong..
Because you're a complete numpty?
Maybe if you had some left wing sympathies you would understand why he was good for London.
Plus, you're just too busy defending BNP members...
citydreams
on the road again
So, instead of saying why "Ken is a cunt" you're just going to carry on insulting him in your typical off cuff manner.
Looking forward to your banning
citydreams
on the road again
Disliking is to be encouraged. Calling him "a cunt" isn't. You don't engage in debate, you merely froth at the mouth. I'd have you put down myself.
Oswaldtwistle
Banned
(sighs at yet ANOTHER debate on Ken- he is gone, Boris has won and I wish both 'victors' and 'defeated' would both be a bit more civil to each other)
Back on topic....
(my bold) It comes down to the extent to which they have a choice. If they work 9-5 and live within walking distance of a tube station, you'd be nuts to drive into Central London. If they working shifts and finish or start after/before the tube starts, they have less choice.
And remeber we are talking about manchester here, with less PT
Back on topic....
(my bold) It comes down to the extent to which they have a choice. If they work 9-5 and live within walking distance of a tube station, you'd be nuts to drive into Central London. If they working shifts and finish or start after/before the tube starts, they have less choice.
And remeber we are talking about manchester here, with less PT
citydreams
on the road again
I'd rather you didn't post at all as you seem to only take pleasure in disrupting any sensible debateajdown said:
But if you must, then please have the good grace to at least attempt to defend your views rather than criticising everyone elses.
Thank you
ajdown
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Fair enough, from my personal experience both in car and on buses, the congestion charge has done nothing to assist my daily commute, and could actually probably be considered to have negatively affected it, as I go up Tower Bridge Road - the south eastern boundary of the CC, so does all the other traffic that might otherwise have gone over London Bridge, Southwark Bridge, Blackfriars Bridge etc thus extending my journey time.
I won't use the tube during the rushhour because it's too overcrowded, a 2 wheeled option (powered or unpowered) is not an option either for various reasons.
Apart from the fact it's an unnecessary and unjustified blanket tax not taking into account anyone's ability to pay - or need to use a car in Central London - for the reasons above, I consider a congestion charge to be a bad idea.
Of course, as I'm unlikely to ever be driving in Manchester it doesn't affect me, but as the request was for how it has affected Londoners, my answer is, I believe, justified in voting against introducing such proposals elsewhere in the country.
Happy now?
I won't use the tube during the rushhour because it's too overcrowded, a 2 wheeled option (powered or unpowered) is not an option either for various reasons.
Apart from the fact it's an unnecessary and unjustified blanket tax not taking into account anyone's ability to pay - or need to use a car in Central London - for the reasons above, I consider a congestion charge to be a bad idea.
Of course, as I'm unlikely to ever be driving in Manchester it doesn't affect me, but as the request was for how it has affected Londoners, my answer is, I believe, justified in voting against introducing such proposals elsewhere in the country.
Happy now?
tommers
Currently in investor / advisor mode.
well done urban. 16 posts this time before somebody mentions cyclists going through red lights on a completely unrelated thread.
What's that thing about prejudices being formed by you only noticing things that conform to yours?
citydreams
on the road again
Not entirely, as you're clearly misinformed. But, alas, I'm off to lunch so will have to reply later.
Crispy
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That's certainly not the case here
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Did you use this same route previous to 2003?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
But you choose to drive, so it's your choice to pay the CC. You don't need to use your car, you choose to because you don't like the alternatives.
