Congestion Charge Go Live
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Irenick said:
6 more posts from you, and I could stick a flake on your head and give you to a holidaymaker on Brighton Beach.
Which would be quite apt, as I bet you're used to being licked on these boards by now.
Bye, arsehole
tommers said:doesn't this already happen with car tax? it's based on the class of car and the emissions...
I think...
based on engine size mate...under 1.6 cheaper, over 1.6 more dear.
Ex boyfriend Pete? Seems a bit tetchy like.
But that's what a lot of this comes down to really.
Privileged twunts who think they have the god given right to do what they like becasue of who they are and fuck everyone else. And does it make their blood boil that a popularly elected Labour Mayor (despite his faults) called Livingstone is doing it to them. PMSL!
But that's what a lot of this comes down to really.
Privileged twunts who think they have the god given right to do what they like becasue of who they are and fuck everyone else. And does it make their blood boil that a popularly elected Labour Mayor (despite his faults) called Livingstone is doing it to them. PMSL!
Isambard said:Ex boyfriend Pete? Seems a bit tetchy like.
But that's what a lot of this comes down to really.
Privileged twunts who think they have the god given right to do what they like becasue of who they are and fuck everyone else. And does it make their blood boil that a popularly elected Labour Mayor (despite his faults) called Livingstone is doing it to them. PMSL!
nice word. Twunt.
I'll be using that in the future
Crispy
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Isambard said:
Buggered if I can think of a non-regressive way of going about it. People won't voluntarily give up their cars (unless there's some magical goodwillhapppyvibes scheme running somewhere) so we either have to make public transport so fantastic it's irresistable, or we make cars less desirable. Tricky.
Crispy said:
thing is, cars just keep getting better. We surely remember what they used to be like in the 70s and 80s
they were shite.Nowadays, cars are the bollocks. I love 'em. If I had the loot, I'd trade my Roz-Bif bashing mobile for a MAN'S CAR *GRUFF, GRUFF, HUFF - home improvement style*
on the other hand, trains are getting scumier.
Now FAR beit from me to defend FGW 
but look at the suburban service out of Paddington now compared to pre-privatisation. Clapped out trains pushing 40years old on a twice an hour service is now up to what, five trains an hour to major West London stations in new trains.
I travel a fair bit and I'm not too unimpressed with the way London ís going on public transport tbh!
It's hard to have a CC progressively sure.
The poorest Londoners didn't ever drive into the West End anyway.
but look at the suburban service out of Paddington now compared to pre-privatisation. Clapped out trains pushing 40years old on a twice an hour service is now up to what, five trains an hour to major West London stations in new trains.I travel a fair bit and I'm not too unimpressed with the way London ís going on public transport tbh!
It's hard to have a CC progressively sure.
The poorest Londoners didn't ever drive into the West End anyway.
Isambard said:
It doesn't put me out personally - if ever I have to drive into London, it's expensed so someone else is paying, on several occcasions by whichever Govt. Dept. happens to be paying my Consultancy fee at the time.
If it did actually discourage people from driving around in London, that'd be great because those of us who can afford to do so will have more room to drive around in.
Going back to speed humps - surely one of the reasons they are introduced isn't just to prevent speeding, but to prevent rat-running - ie to get cars to stop making through journeys on residential streets when there is a more major road they should be on.
As for the extended CC zone - I don't entirely understand why the Western Ext. wasnt introduced as a separate zone rather than an extension to the existing zone. The central area isn't primarily residential, whereas the extended area is, so you've just effectively given a big chunk of (mostly wealthy
) people a 90% discount off travelling into central London.
I've heard people speculate (on here??) that separating the two areas might be a next step - it won't require any additional structural investment to implement as the two areas are effectively separate anyway (with Park Lane running down the middle), so all the cameras etc are already in place, just need a swift change of policy.
As for the extended CC zone - I don't entirely understand why the Western Ext. wasnt introduced as a separate zone rather than an extension to the existing zone. The central area isn't primarily residential, whereas the extended area is, so you've just effectively given a big chunk of (mostly wealthy
) people a 90% discount off travelling into central London.I've heard people speculate (on here??) that separating the two areas might be a next step - it won't require any additional structural investment to implement as the two areas are effectively separate anyway (with Park Lane running down the middle), so all the cameras etc are already in place, just need a swift change of policy.
citydreams
on the road again
beeboo said:
The way I see it, which is pure speculation, is that Ken has a vision for CC in London (which if you were a betting man you would put money on the inner ring road and the outer ring road being next, being bolstered by the Low Emission Zone for the whole of London). The extended central area makes a nice bullseye geographically. By offering the residents of K&C a 90% discount he was able to muster enough support to bring the scheme in. Pure speculation though mind you.
I've got till Monday to show the traffic impacts. I think it's highly likely given that the proposed changes to the CC will see a more progressive charge (i.e charging by time of day rather than a flat charge) and thus lower revenue.
citydreams
on the road again
Pete the Greek said:
The next phase of congestion charging means that residents will lose their discount if they have a band G vehicle.. so that means paying £25 a day, or travelling for free if they have a band A/B vehicle.. Rich people didn't become rich by being stupid.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
citydreams said:
First I've heard of this and I've just discovered from the TfL mini-site that consultation closed on February 2nd.
Any idea what impact would this have for the owners of vintage and veteran motor vehicles? I can't see any mention of consideration of this classification in the published documents.
I'm aware of what's been happening in many cities Italy, where it's essentially become illegal to drive a 1950s Volkswagen Beetle into Milan. If one is being taken to a show in the city centre, it must come in on the back of a flat-bed truck (it can't even be towed).
Converting the engine to run on other fuels or in a less polluting manner is not an option there as Italian law prevents people from making modifications from the manufacturer's specifications for cars. Besides, there is the principle that if one is to retain a vehicle for its historic interest, it should be kept as designed.
The proposed charges of £100 to £200 per day to use a vehicle inside the M25 may be acceptable for some commercial operators, but for privately owned historic vehicles, which get used rarely and would not contribute significantly to pollution levels, it would be prohibitive even if they were used only a few days a year.
The emissions issue is EU legislation and basicly yes, a VW Beetle, even many 1970s cars will likely to be banned from many inner urban areas. Where I work next to next to supposedly one of Europe's busiest roadbridge we can reach the annual permissable output for particulates by April.
You can do a deal for old timers for rallies and the like, that's a (sic) smokescreen.
You can do a deal for old timers for rallies and the like, that's a (sic) smokescreen.
Tom A said:Charge the buggers £100 a shot if they want to drive their Chelsea tractor into London.
Watch as the "Chelsea" tractor soon becomes extinct in their homeland...
If your trust fund can afford 20M for a nice flat and a decent lunch for two runs around £150, then what's another £100 a day? - chickenfeed.
Isambard said:
But that would be a waste of money. If the government wants to encourage prople to travel by public transport then to entice drivers out of cars, they need to provide a second tier of transport. this needs to provide a higher level of comfort and convenience than a bus with fibreglass seats covered in vomit stained polyester where the entertainment comes from mewling rugrats and chavs tinny "personal" stereos. It also needs to be available as and when required.
The bus fleets need to add a full range of decently appointed taxis (e.g. not vile old rattletrap diesel FX4's with vinyl/flockette seats) - ratepayers should be provided with tokens (the more rates you pay the more tokens you get) to provide the initial incentive to try out this new service.
The foreword to that vile windbag Prescott's derisory 1999 Transport White Paper stated " As a car driver, I recognise that motorists will not readily switch to public transport unless it is significantly better and more reliable. ".
It isn't
Car driver's won't.
DJWrongspeed
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I've some sympathy with Steven Norris' views on this. Part of the problem is that it's a blanket charge and western extension is quite bad news for alot of small biz's. The idea should always be about reducing congestion. As such i'd favour a far wider scheme that deals with the whole inner M25 area, targetting hotspots at specific times of the day.
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Or both. Carrot AND stick.Crispy said:
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You don't travel on buses much, do you?Cobbles said:
pembrokestephen said:
Absolutely not.
I was on one last year with visitors from America who wanted to have a go on a double decker.
It was pretty grim, with a couple of tracksuited neds down the back, one of whom started to smoke (had to get the driver to throw him off), thin plastic seats and a general ambience of graffitti and filth.
I can't recall when I was in a 3rd world taxi that was less salubrious.
I love a car. I enjoy it like everyone else ... the stereo music, the comfortable seats, the freedom to go where you want, the flexibility
(Quoted from interview of John Prescott Daily Telegraph 23/07/1999)
If that's good enough for him, then that's good enough for me.
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