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[ViolentPanda]

Social mobility is considerably higher in many European democracies, particularly in Scandinavia, than in the US (or the UK for that matter)

You can easily google this.

...and on the day Rogue Yam does this pigs will fly, the pope will admit his church exploits the poor, and Margaret Thatcher will be worshipped by members of the CPGB.

 

[rogue yam]

Social mobility is considerably higher in many European democracies, particularly in Scandinavia, than in the US (or the UK for that matter)

Odd that I've missed seeing all of those non-white government and business leaders from Europe and Scandinavia. Where are they hiding?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Here we go. http:/www.suttontrust.com/reports/IntergenerationalMobility.pdf

International comparisons indicate that intergenerational mobility in Britain is of the same order of magnitude as in the US, but that these countries are substantially less mobile than Canada and the Nordic countries.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Odd that I've missed seeing all of those non-white government and business leaders from Europe and Scandinavia. Where are they hiding?

don't try and hide and change the subject you bastard. Come to the UK things aint perfect but at least they are better than in a country where they havn't put to bed the lingering stench of support for 'that peculiar institution' as I belive one of your former statesmen called slavery.

Ignorant cunt.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

from the same report.

Thus the picture that emerges is that Northern Europe and Canada are particularly mobile and that Britain and the US have the lowest intergenerational mobility across the European and North American countries studied here. The USA is seen by some as a place with particularly high social mobility. In part this is a consequence of using measures of class to estimate mobility (these will be affected by changes in the class structure over time). However, the idea of the US as ‘the land of opportunity’ persists; and clearly seems misplaced.

 

[rogue yam]

from the same report: "...However, the idea of the US as ‘the land of opportunity’ persists; and clearly seems misplaced."

Dang. Gonna be a lot of disappointed Mexicans when they hear this.

 

[rogue yam]

...a country where they havn't put to bed the lingering stench of support for 'that peculiar institution' as I belive one of your former statesmen called slavery.

Hey, without "lingering stenches" where would you leftists be?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Dang. Gonna be a lot of disappointed Mexicans when they hear this.

RY I"ve just sent you a PM asking you to answer my question that I have put to you on numerous occasions. I have also called you a Liar both in PM and in public -- what are you going to do about it?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Hey, without "lingering stenches" where would you leftists be?

Look trollboy I've commented on your posts and you can't do the courtesy of answering a reasonable question.

Now I've called you a liar -- what are you going to do about it?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Hey, without "lingering stenches" where would you leftists be?

You seem pretty conviced that I'm a leftist as you put it - evidence please.

Or is that too fucking hard for you?

And while your at it can I have your definition of a leftist.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You seem pretty conviced that I'm a leftist as you put it - evidence please.

Or is that too fucking hard for you?

And while your at it can I have your definition of a leftist.

It's that old "binary thought" problem that so many rightwingers have. It was exemplified by Bush when he gave his "with us or against us" spiel. Basically political naifs and ideology-soaked hacks believe that there are only two political position, hard right or hard left, no centrism, and nothing that says "you're both shit because you're both corrupt"

So if you're not with Rogue Yam, Urban75's most ill-informed poster, then you're obviously some kind of leftist, at least in his "pissholes in snow"-like eyes.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

It's that old "binary thought" problem that so many rightwingers have. It was exemplified by Bush when he gave his "with us or against us" spiel. Basically political naifs and ideology-soaked hacks believe that there are only two political position, hard right or hard left, no centrism, and nothing that says "you're both shit because you're both corrupt"

So if you're not with Rogue Yam, Urban75's most ill-informed poster, then you're obviously some kind of leftist, at least in his "pissholes in snow"-like eyes.

Rogue Spam goes beyond ill informed. Don't think we will hear from him for awhile or if we do I'll be following him - that last post by... facility is very very useful

I've got this theory why he turded up on this thread check the title -- it says the words Liberal nd Democratic a surefire way to get freeperscum lunging for the keyboards without putting their grey matter into action. The arsehole is too thick even to take into account a different meaning on the phrase 'liberal democratic'.

Trollboy can run but he can't hide.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

don't try and hide and change the subject you bastard. Come to the UK things aint perfect but at least they are better than in a country where they havn't put to bed the lingering stench of support for 'that peculiar institution' as I belive one of your former statesmen called slavery.

Ignorant cunt.

We've had this discussion before, and I think it's been agreed that racism is alive and well in the UK.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

We've had this discussion before, and I think it's been agreed that racism is alive and well in the UK.

Johnny I never said that racism didn't exist in the UK. My comment to RY was that the Americans still haven't dealt with the hangovers from slavery.

Not saying that the UK is perfect but there is whole load of difference between the British experience for people of African origin the old 'no dogs, no Irish and no blacks signs in guest houses in the 1950's and the whole sale state endorsed segregation policies as practiced into the 1960's in the USA.

My main thrust in all this is to get RY to give me the informaton on nations liberated by the US that he was crowing about but refuses to post up for discussion.

Instead he just runs away and posts up his own POV and refuses to engage in debate.

 

[nino_savatte]

on a personal as opposed to political level, especially when she smiles...

You have no taste. The woman is a cold hearted fish.

 

[nino_savatte]

We've had this discussion before, and I think it's been agreed that racism is alive and well in the UK.

More cheap point-scoring from Canada's biggest fake.

Is rogue spam a friend of yours? Funny how he appeared when your pet monkey disappeared...was it something that he said?

 

[nino_savatte]

Hey, without "lingering stenches" where would you leftists be?

Nice debating style, yammie.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not saying that the UK is perfect but there is whole load of difference between the British experience for people of African origin the old 'no dogs, no Irish and no blacks signs in guest houses in the 1950's and the whole sale state endorsed segregation policies as practiced into the 1960's in the USA.
.

I don't understand what the difference is.

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't understand what the difference is.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Streathamite]

I don't understand what the difference is.

jeesus lordy fivesides, are you fo' real?
ONE is a loathsome attitude by SOME individuals -the most bigotted elements of a society effectively with multiculturalism in its' infancy (in terms of Windrush being 1948) - and which polite society frowned on, but which it took all of 17 years from Windrush on, for the STATE to wake up and to start outlawing.
Note; SOME individuals. NOT even a huge amount.
<eep weary sigh>

Across the pond they were STATE laws ENFORCING discrimination in a huge number of different ways, all designed to keep EVERY Black american down.

I, we, cannot be blamed for the turdhead minority, then and now.
The actions, laws and practices of the STATE (to be precise, a number of States) are down to EVERYONE in that STATE.
was that so very hard to grasp?

 

[Streathamite]

But the fact remains that the social mobility of America is the envy of the world and one of mankind's greatest achievements. Others would do well to try to understand how we accomplish this marvelous feat.

you poor deluded simpleton.
No. It. Isn't. (except for afortunate few)
No. you. don't.
and. no. we. wouldn't.

and you have SFA to prove otherwise.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

you poor deluded simpleton.
No. It. Isn't. (except for afortunate few)
.

Another pronouncement from on high.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Another pronouncement from on high.

At least RJ is backing up his arguments -- something that RY is patently NOT doing.

 

[nino_savatte]

Another pronouncement from on high.

Another pointless post from Mr Mendacity himself.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Another pronouncement from on high.

Blah blah.

Thing is that Jezza's point is proveable by anyone who wants to check out the US govts own stats, whereas your "point" is just crybabying.

 

[Streathamite]

Another pronouncement from on high.

so back up RY's claims and prove me wrong.
or else accept that there might just possibly be a reason why - say - Paris hilton's life will always be more cushy than the kid of a single-mum cleaner from the bronx