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Crispy said:
This does not compare to Die Hard. Die Hard is slightly serious. Con Air is entirely tongue in cheek.



ROFPMSL..................

Please tell me you dont include Die hard 4.0 in your comparison???

Complete piss take from start to finish .
 
DotCommunist said:
It is the best action film ever made. Next to 'The Rock' of course

Innit, first two DVDs I ever bought (the old double sided ones)... Have provided untold amounts of stoned entertainment.

Cyrus Grissom: I despise rapists. For me, they're somewhere between a cockroach and that white stuff that accumulates at the corners of your mouth when you're really thirsty. But, in your case, I'll make an exception.

Garland Greene: He's a fountain of misplaced rage. Name your cliche; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts.

Vince Larkin: Cyrus, where are you taking my plane?
Cyrus Grissom: We're going to Disney Land.
Vince Larkin: You're lying, Cyrus.
Cyrus Grissom: So are you, Vince.
[singing mockingly]
Cyrus Grissom: Ohh... nothing makes me sadder than the agent lost his blader in the... aaaiirrrplane
[throws the headset he's using]

I think Buscemi should be given an award for highest proportion of quotable lines in a film, 100% - hard to beat.
 
It's an excellent film to let your mind go walkies for 90 minutes while the rest of you has mindless fun.
 
denniseagle said:
ROFPMSL..................

Please tell me you dont include Die hard 4.0 in your comparison???

Complete piss take from start to finish .

No, just the original die hard, which is a master piece in single-location action. The others mostly suck.
 
Crispy said:
No, just the original die hard, which is a master piece in single-location action. The others mostly suck.


Single-location actioners or actioners in general?

[I'm now going to say that Die Hard is a masterpiece with a straight face and I'm not sorry.]

I agree that Die Hard is a masterpiece in terms of action movies but does it stand alone against the likes of The Rock and Predator?
 
5t3IIa said:
Single-location actioners or actioners in general?

[I'm now going to say that Die Hard is a masterpiece with a straight face and I'm not sorry.]

I agree that Die Hard is a masterpiece in terms of action movies but does it stand alone against the likes of The Rock and Predator?

It's up there. But the location is what makes die hard great. It all ties together, and you get a real sense of what the building is like and where the constraints are. Predator isn't single location, it keeps moving through different bits of jungle. I haven't seen the rock in aaages, so will reserve comment on that.
 
Crispy said:
It's up there. But the location is what makes die hard great. It all ties together, and you get a real sense of what the building is like and where the constraints are. Predator isn't single location, it keeps moving through different bits of jungle. I haven't seen the rock in aaages, so will reserve comment on that.


OK, so are there any other single location actioners? :confused:
 
It's total balls. Tedious nonsense. And another car crash, and another chase, etc, etc, on and on. I recall willing the damn thing to end.

Also I would like to register my hatred for the expression "tongue in cheek", and even greater hatred for "tongue firmly in cheek".
 
Idaho said:
It's total balls. Tedious nonsense. And another car crash, and another chase, etc, etc, on and on. I recall willing the damn thing to end.

Also I would like to register my hatred for the expression "tongue in cheek", and even greater hatred for "tongue firmly in cheek".
sod off grandad :p
 
Crispy said:
sod off grandad :p
You young whippersnapper - I'll show you a piece of my mind :mad:
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I keep telling my daughter it's so bad it's great and she should watch it but she just says "Cage...looking like that! No fucking way!"
 
......
My favourite line from Garland Greene (Steve Buscemi) to Cameron Poe on what's insane "What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?"

To me it sumps up the service industry/capitalism.

Yes, I liked that quote, and it should make you think ....
 
not all bad. The aeroplane one was quite good

'Its too bad mclane, we could have been friends'

'I gotta enough friends'

*lights the trail of hi octane plane fuel*
 
not all bad. The aeroplane one was quite good

'Its too bad mclane, we could have been friends'

'I gotta enough friends'

*lights the trail of hi octane plane fuel*

Did you see them as they came out ? All Die Hard 2 did as repeat the first film, but make everything bigger, without ever approach the sense of a situation escalating where one set piece and peril consistently outdoes the last one. Die Hard's biggest asset was that as a thriller/action film it was perfectly structured. Die Hard 2 wasn't nearly as skilfully done and was on the level of many substandard imitations. The first one is a genuinely great film, the sequels are at best mediocre.
 
Did you see them as they came out ? All Die Hard 2 did as repeat the first film, but make everything bigger, without ever approach the sense of a situation escalating where one set piece and peril consistently outdoes the last one. Die Hard's biggest asset was that as a thriller/action film it was perfectly structured. Die Hard 2 wasn't nearly as skilfully done and was on the level of many substandard imitations. The first one is a genuinely great film, the sequels are at best mediocre.


I wasn't allowed to watch violent films as a kid and even if I were they are a little before my time.

Die Hard the first is great though, really tight, really 80s
 
I wasn't allowed to watch violent films as a kid and even if I were they are a little before my time.

Die Hard the first is great though, really tight, really 80s

I think when you see films as they come out you get a different perspective on them. Die Hard deservedly was a game changer when it came to action films, a stone cold classic. To anybody who experienced them then, the sequels were lame, because all they did was to go over familiar ground to less effect. Someone who discovers the film later, on the telly and not in the right order would already have seen films that imitated the original, so I think it doesn't have the same impact.

It's the same with other films like Carpenter's Halloween. I still think its a classic, but I can understand why people who weren't around then wouldn't understand why, because it has been imitated endlessly since. Then you add to that people who weren't around then discovered the film on TV where its elegant widescreen compositions were ruined by pan& scan jobs and the tenstion ruined by ad breaks and censorship and what was a revelation on its release in the cinema, becomes a mess on the telly.
 
I think when you see films as they come out you get a different perspective on them.


perhaps, but quality stands on its own legs and doesn't need the context of the time. I discovered that the mrs had not seen Silence of The Lambs before the other day, and immediately had to have it as our evenings film- I was not allowed to watch that as a kid either but its stone cold classic. I hadn't watched it in years. Not all the oft quoted lines, fava beans etc. Some of the nastier bits like 'nutrition has lengthened the bones but you are still two generations removed from po' white trash'

A similar thing with directors cuts for me- depending on the film- it doesn't matter that you didn't see it on big screen when it was current. The film stands. Wicker Man and Bladerunner are examples of what I mean.
 
Also, Die Hard with a Vengance is an excellent film all by itself. Die Hard 2 is bobbins though.
 
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