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computer illiterate people in the workplace

I have people at work who are scared to turn their monitor off before the box in case they break it.
 
Back in the early 1980s I had to teach myself machine code and CNC programming because the so called programmers were rubbish.
 
Crispy said:
I tell this one a lot, but there a woman who used to work here as head admin staff never knew that you could move windows around by dragging the blue bar.

And she always did have a fuzzy idea of the seperation between documents and applications.

"It's in my excel. How shall I get it into yours?"
"Well, where did you save it?"
"In my excel"
"Yes but where on the server"
"The what?"
>_<

She got fired for being crap at the job, in the end.
My sister and me were having this conversation one day

Me: Go to to start, programs, windows explorer
Her: ok
Me: double click on the folder marked documents
Her: What's a folder?
Me: *sigh* The little yellow things.

She's been using computers for at least a decade.
 
Poot said:
:D One of my colleagues is a complete luddite but I don't mind. I showed him how to do Edit -> Select All -> Change font in Word yesterday and he thought I was some kind of genius. Seriously, he was completely over-the-top impressed. :D
Posting on Urban is fantastic practice for basic IT skills :D

People just aren't lazy enough - my whole approach to PC use is predicated on learning the least amount possible and exerting the least amount of effort possible.... I suppose many people assume that because it's a computer it's going to be difficult.

I *heart" Word's "format painter" ... if a bit of text looks wrong, don't fret about what's wrong with it, copy the format from a bit that looks right. :)
I was recently shown how you can lock it in the "on" position and do loads of changes with little effort ...
 
UID said:
I am gobsmacked at how illiterate some people are.

When I started my Nursing Diploma LOADS of the other students, even ones that were only 20 or so and really should have learned at school practically needed the 'This is a mouse, This is the on button, This is not a coffee cup holder' lesson!

Had similar a lot pf places I've worked.

I likes to turn thier displays upside down I does.

;)
I carefully turn their cordless mice the wrong way round :D
 
chymaera said:
Back in the early 1980s I had to teach myself machine code and CNC programming because the so called programmers were rubbish.

Yes Toby, of *course* you did. :rolleyes:
 
jæd said:
Yes Chymaera, of *course* you did. :rolleyes:

Yes I did, because the programmers were so bad they were dangerous.
When you worked on very large NC and CNC of that era they did not have the built in safeguards in the system modern CNC machines do.
If some muppet programmer made a mistake and asked the machine to go a kilometre in rapid traverse instead of 10 centimetres the machine would try and do it. On a lathe with a 200bhp electric motor and a 36 inch chuck with several hundredweight of steel forging in it that is very dangerous.
 
I was always grateful I only had to program un-vital stuff (nothing that could kill if it was wrong in any way), like payroll and banking and shit.
 
gentlegreen said:
I *heart" Word's "format painter" ... if a bit of text looks wrong, don't fret about what's wrong with it, copy the format from a bit that looks right. :)
I was recently shown how you can lock it in the "on" position and do loads of changes with little effort ...

I'm amazed that people don't know about "styles" in documents. I regularly get hundred-page documents where most of the headings are done manually..
 
Poot said:
:D One of my colleagues is a complete luddite but I don't mind. I showed him how to do Edit -> Select All -> Change font in Word yesterday and he thought I was some kind of genius. Seriously, he was completely over-the-top impressed. :D

Why couldn't you do ctrl+a, change font. See, saved you some time.

Funnily enough I know very little about excel or word. I have got a clue on how to make really nice spreadsheets and link data and all that bollocks. I could build you an IDS or use command line unix to recover hidden and deleted data.
Want me to do a budget - wouldn't have a fucking clue.
 
Boris Sprinkler said:
Why couldn't you do ctrl+a, change font. See, saved you some time.

Funnily enough I know very little about excel or word. I have got a clue on how to make really nice spreadsheets and link data and all that bollocks. I could build you an IDS or use command line unix to recover hidden and deleted data.
Want me to do a budget - wouldn't have a fucking clue.

I used to have a Director who could make Powerpoint Presentations that ran like mini TV documentaries. All of us techies would sit around stunned + in awe that someone could knock up something so slick from Powerpoint. :D
 
I think it's something to do with the dirty D word.

Documentation. Hate it. At least writing it. Always curse this one

"No manual entry for..."
 
chymaera said:
Yes I did, because the programmers were so bad they were dangerous.
When you worked on very large NC and CNC of that era they did not have the built in safeguards in the system modern CNC machines do.
If some muppet programmer made a mistake and asked the machine to go a kilometre in rapid traverse instead of 10 centimetres the machine would try and do it. On a lathe with a 200bhp electric motor and a 36 inch chuck with several hundredweight of steel forging in it that is very dangerous.

go on then do us the code to take a number, add 2 to it, multiply by 36 and then subtract the number that was input. In machine code.
 
As an IT Manger I far prefer those people who know fuck all and cheerfully admit it than the slightly computer literate who think they know far more than they actually do.


I don't presume to tell you how to calculate slab loading or fresh air distribution so fuck off with your:

"Oh we should just buy a separate NAS device for each department to use - that would solve all of our disk space problems....don't know why you lot haven't thought about it before...." or

"oh and while I am at it, can you increase my mailbox size please - 250Mb is nowhere near enough - if Google can offer us all 2Gb of space then why haven't we considered using them for our mail" or sometimes:

"My PC keeps bluescreening - I was trying a few performance tweaks and clearing out some superflous files to clear up diskspace and now it doesn't work. I guess the way you set my machine up isn't compatible with a faster configuration :rolleyes:"

etc. etc. etc.


:mad:
 
sleaterkinney said:
My sister and me were having this conversation one day

Me: Go to to start, programs, windows explorer
Her: ok
Me: double click on the folder marked documents
Her: What's a folder?
Me: *sigh* The little yellow things.

She's been using computers for at least a decade.

This probably means your sister has a bit of a knack for computers since she's obviously figured out a fair bit for herself.

It can be easy to get short with people who are iffy with computers but I try to remember that no one is born knowing all this stuff and a reasonably bright person can be helped along to the point of being able to teach themselves in not too much time.

Agree totally with Swarfega that the people who know a teeny bit but think they know a lot are the worst to deal with.
 
It's really frustrating. One of my colleagues is totally computer illiterate - I've had to show him almost every single day how to attach something to an e-mail. He's just incapable of taking it in. Then the other day he was asking me for help, saying he couldn't see the paper clip - I went over and he wasn't even in the e-mail, he was in the word document. :confused:

Thank fuck he has moved to another office now, he can bother someone else about it every day.
 
jæd said:
To see if you are talking porkies as you usually are.

Well if you tried to carry out that calculation using machine code you would fail, basically because the code consists of a letters followed by a number.
 
Pingu said:
go on then do us the code to take a number, add 2 to it, multiply by 36 and then subtract the number that was input. In machine code.

Ouch.

It's been a while . .

MIPS?
 
Boris Sprinkler said:
I think it's something to do with the dirty D word.

Documentation. Hate it. At least writing it. Always curse this one

"No manual entry for..."
Documentation is a two edged sword - I've lost count of the number of times I've diligently documented a particular procedure, only to have no one bother to read it - because it's easier to ask the overworked bloke who built the system than actually bother reading the comprehensive documentation he spent so long writing...:rolleyes:
 
jæd said:
To see if you are talking porkies as you usually are.


OK you cunt, YOU try and calculate it from any of these:-
M03, M04, M05
M08, M09
M02
M30
M98
M99
M00, M01
G96, G97
G50
G95, G94
G00, G01
F
S
X
Y
Z
A
B
C
U
V
W
 
chymaera said:
Well if you tried to carry out that calculation using machine code you would fail, basically because the code consists of a letters followed by a number.

Its only something I touched on *ages* ago, but mathematical operations are entirely possible with machine code. I never got very far with it, but I distincly remember doing such things.

And if such operations couldn't be done then, how would most software work...?

(Or is this some kind of Cornish Machine Code... :rolleyes: )
 
chymaera said:
OK you cunt, YOU try and calculate it from any of these:-

I'm not the one who said I could program in machine code, am I...?

Oh, and is this the swearing + ranting part where everyone realises you are talking bollocks..?

Post reported, btw... :D
 
jæd said:
I'm not the one who said I could program in machine code, am I...?

Oh, and is this the swearing + ranting part where everyone realises you are talking bollocks..?

Post reported, btw... :D

Report away you fucking idiot I spent over 10 years programming setting and operating NC and CNC machines and I don't need a cunt like you being nasty.
 
chymaera said:
OK you c*nt, YOU try and calculate it from any of these:-
M03, M04, M05
M08, M09
M02
M30
M98
M99
M00, M01
G96, G97
G50
G95, G94
G00, G01
F
S
X
Y
Z
A
B
C
U
V
W

G95 (M02)
ABB M01
ABB M01
X (M30 ABB M02 ABB M02 ABB M02)
G00 M02
V S (M02)

YAY!!! :D :p :cool:
 
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