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Ceej said:
Where to start.
In Camden. we have the distinction of being one of the few boroughs were no schools have concerted - one or two fre schools and academies have sprung up, but none have turned, because basically Camden are a good LA who have always prioritised education, particularly EYFS. The new schools set their own admissions criteria, so forget it if you have learning difficulties, SEN or a disability - you cost too much, so jog on. This is already putting an unfair burden on state schools finances and resources as they have a disproportionate number of children needing additional support.

I think that everyone who works in education in any capacity should work to rule - teachers, your 32.5 directed hours a week, PPA confined to your PPA time, support staff just 25 hours a week for your miserly wages, and leaders and senior staff should do the same. The entire system turns on the goodwill and dedication of the staff - the system would collapse in a month if everyone worked to rule - and they'd get paid and wouldn't be taking 'industrial action' as such, so no opportunities to slag us all off in the press. Yes, there would be a price to pay for the children, but how much higher if they get their way.
We are so screwed.
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"Yes, there would be a price to pay for the children"

I guess you'd think this was OK if it was your children?
 
MarkyMarrk said:
One of our most popular policies from focus groups and opinion polls back then. We correctly judged that the interests of the pupils came ahead of the interests of the far left elements in the teaching unions.

You can criticise all you like, but closing failing schools and taking them away from LA control was a good policy. Having the schools carry on failing their kids generation after generation was wrong.
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Are these schools actually working for kids now? Qualified , experienced teachers are being chewed up and spat our in their droves....what does that tell you?
 
Rutita1 said:
Are these schools actually working for kids now? Qualified , experienced teachers are being chewed up and spat our in their droves....what does that tell you?
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In my area they're much better, yes.
Standards nationwide have risen significantly. We used to have schools with pass rates of something like 7%. To allow that to carry on is not right.
 
MarkyMarrk said:
You can criticise all you like, but closing failing schools and taking them away from LA control was a good policy. Having the schools carry on failing their kids generation after generation was wrong.
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So it's a good policy except you've been unable to offer any proper evidence of why, and you don't know much about Ofsted and how they measure such success/failings. But you do know that its good to move schools out of local authority control.

Ok.
 
spanglechick said:
That's any school now. You don't even need a degree.
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It was my understanding that you had to be a qualified teacher to teach at a state school but not an academy.

I've seen a teacher saying elsewhere online that most of the teaching in one academy she worked in was done by TAs. Some of the TAs at my son's school are actually teachers but one is a former architect, another is a former plumber and one used to work in the bakery department at Tesco.

Great :thumbs:
 
stethoscope said:
So it's a good policy except you've been unable to offer any proper evidence of why, and you don't know much about Ofsted and how they measure such success/failings. But you do know that its good to move schools out of local authority control.

Ok.
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No, it's good that failing schools where almost every pupil failed were not allowed to carry on failing and were removed from the local authority that had dragged them down. It is good that standards went up. It is good we don't have loads of schools with very low pass rates.
 
Rutita1 said:
Championing Lord Adonis and his judgement? Made his money in banking, other gems to his name? The bedroom tax.... How is that helping the families in your area Mark? Bet they love it! Bet it's doing those kids the world of good!
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I don't agree with the bedroom tax, but I don't understand why you're trying to derail this.
 
MarkyMarrk said:
In my area they're much better, yes.
Standards nationwide have risen significantly. We used to have schools with pass rates of something like 7%. To allow that to carry on is not right.
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and what do you suppose will happen if this all goes through as reported, to children with learning difficulties/special needs etc....big business won't be interested......it boils my piss that the education of our kids should be put in the hands of business/religious groups who will all have their own agendas..........but of course, silly me :facepalm: this is for the proles isn't it
 
trashpony said:
It was my understanding that you had to be a qualified teacher to teach at a state school but not an academy.

I've seen a teacher saying elsewhere online that most of the teaching in one academy she worked in was done by TAs. Some of the TAs at my son's school are actually teachers but one is a former architect, another is a former plumber and one used to work in the bakery department at Tesco.

Great :thumbs:
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You're right. I stand corrected.
 
mentalchik said:
and what do you suppose will happen if this all goes through as reported, to children with learning difficulties/special needs etc....big business won't be interested......it boils my piss that the education of our kids should be put in the hands of business/religious groups who will all have their own agendas..........but of course, silly me :facepalm: this is for the proles isn't it
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I'm not in favour of making all schools academies and never said I was.
 
MarkyMarrk said:
I don't agree with the bedroom tax, but I don't understand why you're trying to derail this.
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It's not a derail...it's context...Champion his judgement and we'll discuss the validity and breadth of his judgement...

Now tell me how much you care about local kids and their families? Tell me what evidence you have to say that the academy route is the best one?

Tell me why qualified, experienced teachers are unhappy with this yet Lord Adonis and Blue Labour are right?
 
I have a feeling my son's school may have applied to become an academy. He only has 1.5 years left so hopefully will be through before it changes for the worst. I can't say I understand their motivation for wanting to change because I don't.
 
Rutita1 said:
It's not a derail...it's context...Champion his judgement and we'll discuss the validity and breadth of his judgement...

Now tell me how much you care about local kids and their families? Tell me what evidence you have to say that the academy route is the best one?
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I have never said the academy route was the best one.
 
MarkyMarrk said:
No, it's good that failing schools where almost every pupil failed were not allowed to carry on failing and were removed from the local authority that had dragged them down. It is good that standards went up. It is good we don't have loads of schools with very low pass rates.
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So, can you evidence where the 'standards went up'? Given you have accepted you don't know much about Ofsted.
 
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