butchersapron
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Communist states
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Improbable. Simple universal answers to things far too complex. What about those who aren't working class and aren't the ruling class?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
yeah, what about the intellectuals?
They get shot. I mean other ... toilers.
JimN
freetimes3x
Which toilers are you saying are not members of the working class? How are you defining working class?
Peasants.
Anarchist filth.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Who (else) will do the dirty work under socialism?
Backward elements with poor levels of political education.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Why condemn yourself to a lifetime of cleaning toilets with your tongue, comrade?
JimN
freetimes3x
What do you mean by dirty work?
Are you talking about jobs that we currently have which help to protect minority property rights? Like, for instance, police, security guards, judges, prison officers and revenue protection inspectors.
Perhaps you are talking about jobs that protect the property rights of a certain nation's ruling class? Like, for instance, members of the armed forces, munitions workers, nuclear scientists, diplomats, mercenaries, strategists and politicians.
Or maybe you're talking about those jobs that exist to convince us that capitalism is the only possible way to organise society? Like, for instance, politicians, journalists, news readers, economists, preachers and even members of the teaching profession.
It could be you're talking about jobs directed to bombarding us with trivia, sensationalism and gossip to fill our otherwise empty lives and create an alternative to rational thought? Like newspaper columnists, advertising executives, astrologists, television presenters and film workers.
However, I suspect that you are referring to socially useful work that quite often is associated with low pay, poor conditions and low social status. Like, for instance, street sweepers, toilet attendants, sewage workers, carers for the elderly and agricultural workers.
In a socialist world so many people will be freed up from the socially useless work that is currently essential to capitalist society that we will be able to make light work of the so called 'dirty jobs'. There will be an incentive to make these roles as tolerable as possible (using technological advances where possible) and maybe even enjoyable. Applying the same inventiveness as we currently do to designing new ways to killing each other will go a long way towards this.
Attitudes towards these roles will certainly change beyond recognition. None of the social stigma attached to this work will remain. Currently, social stigma is the key to understanding the reason why these roles are currently deemed to be 'dirty work' by so many. And yet, many of us wouldn't think twice about getting our hands dirty in the garden, cleaning our own toilet, sweeping our homes or getting covered in oil tinkering with a car engine.
In fact, even today, thousands of people carry out 'dirty work' on a voluntary basis. People like conservation volunteers, steam train enthusiasts, carers for the elderly and local residents clearing out alleys and removing graffiti.
No, I don't see 'dirty work' being a barrier to socialism.
Oh dear.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Neckshots and disposing of the self-soiled bodies of counter revolutionaries.
Crushed into camp dust.
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
@JM yep
I love posts about what should be, rather than what is.
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
If you don't you mustn't have a lot to say.
We need to make the case for a better world. Jim N is making that case well.
JHE
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I recently reread the second half of Jon Lee Anderson's excellent biography of Guevara (that is, the part coverning the period from the missile crisis to his death in 1967) and I am unaware of his personally taking part in any active persecution of homosexuals.
Guevara was a ruthless bastard and a hard taskmaster. He was also a machista of sorts, but I don't know that he ever bothered to bully maricones.
BTW, slogan chanted by Cubans upset that Nikita Khrushchev had done a deal with Kennedy and had agreed to remove the nuclear missiles from Cuba:
"Nikita, mariquita, lo que se da no se quita" [Nikita, little poof, what's given is not taken away]
Did Che say this?:
"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."
"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."
JHE
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From his youthful 'Motorcycle Diaries', I think. A keen Guevarist might point out that was before he became a proper grown-up Communist.
How did that "send gays to concentration camps"?
But it wasn't.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Bilateral relationship between China and Cuba is at its best time in history
Hasta la 永恒的胜利, baby.
Hasta la 永恒的胜利, baby.
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