Communism and the family?

[tar1984]

Another relevant bit in the Manifesto is where Karl and Freddy say that since the bourgeoise treat their women as property, it's no surprise they expect them to be nationalised after the revolution.

Oh yeah...there's something about how all the bourgies share each others wives and stuff. Heh. That can't be true though, surely?

 

[DotCommunist]

Oh yeah...there's something about how all the bourgies share each others wives and stuff. Heh. That can't be true though, surely?

Carkeys/bowl



It's like dogging for the m/c

 

[tar1984]

Carkeys/bowl

eh?

 

[DotCommunist]

eh?

Traditional Wifeswapping parties amongst debauched decadent bourgeoisie types was to all place your carkeys in a bowl. Then you all selected someone elses keys. Whoever's keys you picked were who's wife you boned that night

 

[Spion]

Traditional Wifeswapping parties amongst debauched decadent bourgeoisie types was to all place your carkeys in a bowl. Then you all selected someone elses keys. Whoever's keys you picked were who's wife you boned that night

In the 19th C they had carriages so instead of keys in a bowl they made the coachmen who drove them stand in the middle of the room and the guys would cover their eyes and point. I like to get the historical facts correct

 

[TremulousTetra]

I'm sure it's very interesting, but can you maybe give us a line or two about what it says, and maybe whether you agree, or how it fits with your world view?

Yes.

 

[tar1984]

Traditional Wifeswapping parties amongst debauched decadent bourgeoisie types was to all place your carkeys in a bowl. Then you all selected someone elses keys. Whoever's keys you picked were who's wife you boned that night

In the 19th C they had carriages so instead of keys in a bowl they made the coachmen who drove them stand in the middle of the room and the guys would cover their eyes and point. I like to get the historical facts correct

Well you learn something new every day.

 

[Maidmarian]

I remember in the commie manifesto there is something about doing away with the traditional family unit or something. I never really understood that bit. Can anyone explain what that's all about?

It's pretty interesting. In the USSR in the 50s (iirc) the State conducted the "Great Soviet Experiment" which attempted to get rid of the notion of "family" --- marriage was discouraged--- weddings were conducted by the state , but were held in broomcupboards, with officials failing to turn up / being late / refusing to conduct the ceremony etc , but it remained popular----
In part , I think this was due to the family structures at the time being still extended ones & therefore still strong---- so the shift over there was toward the nuclear structure.

Here , that shift had already occurred, mainly due to urbanization & industrialization .

 

[moon23]

Who needs family when you have facebook.

 

[Blagsta]

Who needs family when you have facebook.

liberal

 

[poster342002]

I remember in the commie manifesto there is something about doing away with the traditional family unit or something. I never really understood that bit. Can anyone explain what that's all about?

Given that - at it's extreme end - the "family unit" can produce horrors and atrocities like Fred & Rosemary West and Josef Fritzel, the notion of abolishing the "traditional" family unit has some merit.

 

[tar1984]

Isn't it just that any society is likely to produce a few psychopaths?

 

[Idris2002]

It's pretty interesting. In the USSR in the 50s (iirc) the State conducted the "Great Soviet Experiment" which attempted to get rid of the notion of "family" --- marriage was discouraged--- weddings were conducted by the state , but were held in broomcupboards, with officials failing to turn up / being late / refusing to conduct the ceremony etc , but it remained popular----
In part , I think this was due to the family structures at the time being still extended ones & therefore still strong---- so the shift over there was toward the nuclear structure.

Here , that shift had already occurred, mainly due to urbanization & industrialization .

Never heard that one before - in fact what I heard was quite the opposite, that in response to popular demand the anti-religious state had to introduce marriage ceremonies of its own.

It also doesn't fit with what we know about Soviet social policy in Stalin's time and after - Stalin banned abortion after all, and was quite keen on traditional family structures.

 

[Maidmarian]

http://dewey.area24.net/TheGreatSovietExperiment.htm

Just found the above ---- I was wrong about the date --- it was late 20s-30s