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Coming soon: mobile fingerprint scanners

taffboy gwyrdd is one othe growning tinfoliers on here who think they and they alone have the defintitive truth about life and are the only ones who are actively 'doing something' about it.

this is the equiverlent of a messianic complex hodling the one truth and vaildity for life.

anyone with that mind set needs mental health care. Long term mental health care...
 
Just introduced fingerprint scanners for signing in at work, at a fucking garage. Glad Im off tbh, there would have been arguments.
 
danny la rouge said:
Ah, open season on people experiencing mental ill-health. Cool.

Let me know when Take The Piss Out Of A Dyslexic Day comes round again.
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right because stating some one has a messianic complex and they need professional help is declearing open season...

fuck me you are more obtuse than usual who trod on your cock?
 
danny la rouge said:
Ben Goldacre did a how-to in the Guardian a while back. All you need is a scanner and some Gummy Bears.
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I think that's where I read it, that's pretty much what the Japanese guy did. Fingerprints can no longer be irrefutable evidence matching a person to a crime scene.

Slightly irrelevant, but my TV show about fingerprints is on tonight.
 
Oh don't get excited, it's "Forensic Casebook with Matthew Kelly", It's about two investigations involving fingerprints (historical). ITV. 10pm or 10.30 I think.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
yes you are right you and your pals are the ONLY people to be aware of this happening and the work you do inlcuding the action you take is VITAL to preventing further errosion of liberty...
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What ho! Its a straw man. But there are too few people working to retain our liberties and we are being taken down a dark path. WTF is "messianic" about saying so?

Oh, and what is "growning" and "pyshcotics"?

I normally dont give a screw about typos, but comming from someone casting asperisions against the mental capabilities of others it really does rancour.
 
On the actual topic, I believe the current law requires fingerprints taken without an arrest to be destroyed unless consent to keep them is given. (Such consent cannot be withdrawn, however!)

No doubt this will be "amended" in due course.

I'd probably support something like this if the police hadn't spent the last eight years treating innocent people like criminals. As it is, seriously scary.
 
A spokeswoman for the NPIA added: "It will be up to each police authority to assess the benefits and see how many they want. Early indications are that the benefits will be huge."
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Expect Northamptonshire plod to be early in with these, they're keen on this kind of tech.
 
This post by a Guardian readers was interesting and deeply worrying.

Who is selling these things to the government?

Well, senior police officers, for a start.

THE American manufacturer of Taser, the controversial stun gun, gave the exclusive British distribution rights to a senior serving police officer who helped win Home Office approval for the weapon.

Inspector Peter Boatman had a 50% share in a company that sold Tasers at the same time as devising Britains first police training programme for the use of weapons.

Boatman was in charge of assessing the merits of Taser as head of operational training for Northamptonshire police and was regarded as an impartial expert on the weapon.

Since he left the force a little more than three years ago, his firm has provided 1,500 Tasers worth about £1m to 20 British police forces. It is the exclusive UK distributor for the US company, Taser International.

Disclosure of the apparent conflict of interest comes after Taser International, the US manufacturer, was accused of providing American police officers with share options potentially worth $1m.

Police repression is a dirty business all right, but lucrativet:

Companies House records show that Boatman took a 50% stake in a start-up company, Pro-Tect Systems, in December 2000. He became a director of the firm on December 5 and resigned three weeks later, on December 27, but held on to his stake in the company.

In February 2001, Pro-Tect received the Taser contract for the UK. Within two months Boatman was acting as an adviser to the Home Office on whether to issue Tasers to British officers. He was regarded as a national and international expert on Tasers, Chris Fox, the former chief constable of Northamptonshire, said yesterday.

In December 2001, three months after the Home Office approved trial imports, Boatman publicly rebutted claims by Police Federation officers that Tasers could be dangerous. Boatman wrote with sadness to Police Review that this technology is very effective — more than any other technique, device or equipment for establishing control over violent and dangerous subjects.

He retired from the police on April 16, 2002. Two days later he was installed as chairman of Pro-Tect Systems. His fellow founding director and friend, Kevin Coles, had been running the firm in the meantime.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article584499.ece
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
In case you aint being sarky, they've ended a few hundred.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/us-human-rights/page.do?id=1011100
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Maybe, but only in foreign parts.

ETA - that sounds a bit crude and unserious and that's not what I meant.

There have been no deaths as far as I know through legitimate use of tasers in the UK. Things are different in North America. That has to be down to proper management of the use of these weapons, which like incapacitating gas are an effective and non-lethal means of subduing a violent suspect, and thereby it is likely that lives have been saved. We ought to reflect on the fact that British cops seem to do it so much better.
 
Darios said:
Uh....how on earth did you miss the huge conflict of interest?
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I read that, but I have to confess that I'm not tremendously shocked.

Unlike his wife. :)

No doubt if he broke any laws he will be prosecuted and punished in due course. I'm sure that kind of thing won't happen with the introduction of fingerprinting machines, which may well save a lot of inconvenience for people who would otherwise have to spend hours in police stations. Slippery slope, though.
 
Fullyplumped said:
I read that, but I have to confess that I'm not tremendously shocked.

Unlike his wife. :)

No doubt if he broke any laws he will be prosecuted and punished in due course. I'm sure that kind of thing won't happen with the introduction of fingerprinting machines, which may well save a lot of inconvenience for people who would otherwise have to spend hours in police stations. Slippery slope, though.
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Jesus wept tears of hate and boiling piss. The only thing that saves you is the last sentence.
 
Fullyplumped said:
Maybe, but only in foreign parts.

ETA - that sounds a bit crude and unserious and that's not what I meant.

There have been no deaths as far as I know through legitimate use of tasers in the UK. Things are different in North America. That has to be down to proper management of the use of these weapons, which like incapacitating gas are an effective and non-lethal means of subduing a violent suspect, and thereby it is likely that lives have been saved. We ought to reflect on the fact that British cops seem to do it so much better.
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There've been no deaths here cos they've hardly been used. If they start being issued you can bet the body count will get going with excuses, lies and cover ups for nearly every instance.

Also expect "less than lethal" stuff to be used on demonstrations and tasers to find their ways into the hands of regular criminals.
 
Fullyplumped said:
I read that, but I have to confess that I'm not tremendously shocked.

Unlike his wife. :)

No doubt if he broke any laws he will be prosecuted and punished in due course. I'm sure that kind of thing won't happen with the introduction of fingerprinting machines, which may well save a lot of inconvenience for people who would otherwise have to spend hours in police stations. Slippery slope, though.
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