Coming soon - body scanners at London stations
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
If someone, or some group, were determined and resourceful enough (and they clearly are), to plant and/or detonate a bomb, you probably couldn't in the long run prevent it happening somewhere, as no security system is ever 100% perfect.editor said:
so again we come back to the core point; the only way we will ever truly eradicate the terrorist threat is by dealing with the grievances that the terrorist organisations feed off.
And as we are really talking about jihadist terrorism here, let's spell them out;
1. justice for Palestinians
2.Excessive US m/east presence and support for corrupt musklim regimes
3. iraq.
ONLY by dealing with all those will you ever REALLY deal with the terror threat. you could turn the UK into a western version of Burma and STILL somebody would get through somewhere.
In addition to what Red Jezza quite rightly said:
We should also accept that life is always very dangerous (LOL, most people who have tried it are now dead) - this whole terror paranoia is quite unhealthy.
We should also accept that life is always very dangerous (LOL, most people who have tried it are now dead) - this whole terror paranoia is quite unhealthy.
No - scanner goes bleep, bomber goes "shit" and decides to detonate the bomb then and there.pidgeonhead said:
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Even if by some miracle every person on public transport got scanned without it crippling the budget or public transport itself, all you ever need to do is blow yourself up just before you're scanned, as people are saying. Or in a shopping centre. Or a high street. Or anywhere else there are lots of people together. Mass transit is a good target but there are plenty of others.
corporate whore
oh, thought you were dead
FridgeMagnet said:
And I think the government are fully aware of this. So what's it all for? The situation they've in part created has led them to this point, where they have to be seen to be doing something. This something will be abused by the police, no doubt about it.
As i said in post1, I fucking hate this ever-encroaching fear we're being fed.
corporate whore said:
I know the point you're making mate, but what you say is not really true. We can't be fed fear, we can only react to a stimulus in such a way that we now fear.
All those years of the ira and bombs, and the british way of life that just said we will carry on as normal, those terrorists aren't changing my life. Y'know the old great british bulldog spirit and all that. No fear then, so why fear now? Today's threat of terrorism, and actual terrorist atrocities are miniscule compared to those days.
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE IN SUCH A SHORT TIME??
Why are they succumbing to this invisible threat?
C'mon, step back for just one minute: having bag and body checks at train stations is a strong example of a society gone mad.
In one year, millions upon millions of people use those trains. And how many deaths each year?
It's really insane that this anti-terrorist 'measure' is even being proposed.
In one year, millions upon millions of people use those trains. And how many deaths each year?
It's really insane that this anti-terrorist 'measure' is even being proposed.
FridgeMagnet said:
And assuming that we can expect some kind of brain activity and intelligence on the part of our leaders, then patently they'd not propose or introduce such idiotic policies.
Which is a very good reason for wondering what their ulterior motive is for searching passengers at train stations. If it's not to stop terrorists, then it's either coz they are succumbing to perceived public demand, or it's coz they have their own agenda.
Fear being an excellent way of controlling a 'free' population.
editor said:
Do you have to take everything so seriously?
I can't show the last time, coz that's precisely the point i was making, i've only seen you in this unaccustomed role this one time.
And i was having fun, not at your expense, but with you. Unfortunately you didn't see it that way.
So, not lying, nor bullshitting. Fucking lighten up man! I'm beginning to wonder if my tagline ought to finally change. To 'shut the fuck up'. It's something you seem to say to me on a regular basis.
They X-ray your luggage an put you through a metal detector at Waterloo for the Eurostar. When they start completely redesigning all of the stations in a similar way so they can cope with scanning the rush hour commuters, then I would get worried. Far too expensive, better to just have a few big scanning machines on show to suggest to everyone, that the authorities are really doing something.
Also far from being the digital age, most of the cameras used by CCTV are analogue. If they were digital the pictures would be a lot better. Even then, there is no magic computer system that can recognise peoples faces except under very specific laboratory conditions.
If there was I would be able to tell my computer to sort out my digital photos for me.
Pattern recognition is still something that people do rather well and computers barely manage the simplest tasks. So plod has to look at all of the output from all of the cameras. and only after something has happened.
That job must do your head in.
Also far from being the digital age, most of the cameras used by CCTV are analogue. If they were digital the pictures would be a lot better. Even then, there is no magic computer system that can recognise peoples faces except under very specific laboratory conditions.
If there was I would be able to tell my computer to sort out my digital photos for me.
Pattern recognition is still something that people do rather well and computers barely manage the simplest tasks. So plod has to look at all of the output from all of the cameras. and only after something has happened.
That job must do your head in.
But too many people still implicitly trust the government.fela fan said:
Along the lines of: If 'honest tony' says there's a threat, then there must be a threat.
You would have thought that people had learned their lesson after Iraq, but apparently many people haven't.
I couldn't agree more.fela fan said:
Could it have something to do with a general expectation of wanting absolute safety? When I was a kid I'd go to all kinds of places on my own, but now many people hardly let their kids go to school alone. Just a thought.fela fan said:
TAE said:
Yeah, the need for 'security' in people's lives is a strong urge.
But what i'm interested in is why the british public are succumbing to fear in ways they never did when it was the ira bombing and maiming. Surely they wanted security as much then?
As for trusting the government, you're right, incredibly that still holds sway. I've been forcefully reminded of this in the last two days.
There is only one way.editor said:
Make sure they don't hate you enough to want to do it.
And so you should be ... if you could.Magneze said:So potentially you can now be locked up for 28 days on the whim of a computer. Since I work in software I can safely say that we should all be quite fucking scared about this.
But you can't.
Surely notTAE said:
They'd go "Oh dear. I really wanted to blow up a tube train, but now I've been stopped carrying my bomb in through the gates. So I'd better give it up without a fight because it will really not fit our overall strategy if I detonate it here - Mr Big said it had to be the tube train or nothing ..."
Wouldn't they?
hundredthmonkey
New Member
How could it possibly track the suspicious movements of potential terrorists during rush hour when a sea of humanity is trying to get home across the concourses? It's a crude system still in its infancy.kyser_soze said:
Does the UK public want the government to invest in this technology? Shouldn't we be asked before it's foisted on us?
We are the most watched nation on the planet and CCTV didn't help stop 7/7 from happening.
How will it work? Will some underpaid operative be bleeped when the computer detects some unnatural movements?
If we are so concerned about our personal safety, why not employ people to be our eyes and ears instead of this, which will be far more costly to implement and hardly as reliable?
No scanning equipment is going to pick out one individual acting suspiciously among a multitude during rush hour, and would this not be the time that a potential bomber would choose to strike?
The agenda seems to be to desensitize the public to surveillance, and legitimize its use whether it works or not.
Given the present global turmoil I think we have to accept that terrorism is a factor of our existence thanks to Blair who, has in the space of a few years, helped make it a possibility for commuters in London.
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