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In 1970s Argentina, comics were a vehicle for subversive messages. Comics and porn, sometimes porno comics.
Comics people who turned out to be pretty fucking bonkers right wing & all that!
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DaveCinzano
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A sample of contents from The Victor...
#1, February 1961
#1, February 1961
- The Gaunt Hounds Are Out (adventure strip)
- I Flew With Braddock (war strip)
- Jungle Joe (war text story)
- Look For The Green Lizard (adventure strip)
- When He Was Young... Lester Piggott (biographical sports strip)
- The Raid On Rommel (war strip - true story)
- Come Away The United (sports strip)
- Snapshot Sid The Camera Kid (adventure text story)
- Jimmy The Dodger (sports strip)
- Pony Express (historical/biographical strip)
- The Plane That Caught A U-Boat (war strip - true story)
- The Purple Trumpet (adventure strip)
- Come Away The United (sports strip)
- The Gaunt Hounds Are Out (adventure strip)
- Find The Deadly Stranger (adventure text story)
- I Flew With Braddock (war strip)
- When He Was Young... Gary Player (biographical sports strip)
- Jimmy The Dodger (sports strip)
- Coach Carson - Maker Of Champions (sports text story)
- The Wonder Man (SF/adventure strip)
- The Tests And Trials Of Johnny Drew (school/adventure strip)
- The Navy's Here! (war strip - true story)
- Sergeant Samson's Scrapbook (crime/adventure strip)
- Theseus - Prince Of Athens (historical adventure strip)
- Braddock And The Flying Tigers (war strip)
- The Big Tree (SF/adventure text story)
- The Tough Of The Track (sports strip)
- When He Was Young... George Chisholm [Black & White Minstrel] (biographical entertainment strip)
- Gentleman Jim (sports strip)
- Blaze - Pony Of The Welsh Peaks (adventure text story)
- The Goalmaker (sports strip)
- Stories Behind The Badges - Air Sea Rescue Service (historical strip - this week about WW2)
- The Courage Of Chhelu Ram (war strip - true story)
- The Fighting Cat (war strip)
- Stark Of The Samurai (historical adventure strip)
- The Last Six Hundred (SF/adventure strip)
- The Team That Jack Built (sports strip)
- Rebel Of The Iron Road (historical adventure strip)
- The Goldfields Newshawk (adventure text story)
- Stephen Strongarm - Master Armourer (historical adventure strip)
- ‘Audacity Proves Her Worth! (war strip - true story)
- The Pillow Champ (humour/historical adventure strip)
- The Last British Boy In Singapore (war strip)
- Bill And Ben - The Fighting Tennis Men (sports strip)
- The Red Destroyers Must Be Stopped! (SF text story)
- The Tough Of The Track (sports strip)
- The Barge That Went To War (war strip)
- The Man Between The Sticks (sports strip)
- Ramage Of The Roaring Guns (historical adventure/war strip)
- Underwater Attack (war strip - true story)
- Cadman The Flying Coward (war strip)
- Figaro! (humour strip)
- Sampan Sammy (historical adventure strip)
- The Boxer Nobody Knows (sports strip)
- Sir Arthur's Amazing Armour (humour/historical war strip)
- Miles And Miles Of Mystery (historical/biographical strip)
- The Last Six Hundred (SF/adventure strip)
- The Secret War Of Killer Kennedy (war strip)
- Ten Tests For Strongarm (historical adventure strip)
- A True Story Of War (war strip - true story)
- Cecil - The Stone Age Scrapper (humour/sports strip)
- Trained To Ruin The Rangers (sports strip)
- Figaro! (humour strip)
- The Rafferty Plan (war strip)
- Volts Of Vengeance (adventure strip)
- The Tough Of The Track (sports strip)
- Tall Tales From Toad-In-The-Hole (humour strip)
- The Stuka Spy (war strip)
- Howzatt?? (sports strip)
- The Man In The Mine (war strip)
- A True Story Of War (war strip - true story)
- The Glory Game (sports strip)
- Figaro! (humour strip)
- The Hunter (SF/adventure strip)
- Cadman The Fighting Coward (war strip)
- Cap'n Hand (humour strip)
- The Battler From Bristol (historical sports strip)
- The Wells At Marzuk (war strip)
- The Toff Of The Track (sports strip)
- The Gorilla Gang (school/adventure strip)
- The Goals Of Jimmy Grant (sports strip)
- Biker (sports strip)
- The Haunting Of Running Bear (war strip)
- Tough Of The Track (sports strip)
- The River War (war strip)
- The Double Act (sports strip)
- Puss An' Boots (humour strip)
- The Wolf Of Kabul (adventure strip)
- The Goals Of Jimmy Grant (sports strip)
- Space Bus (SF/adventure strip)
- The Tough Of The Track (sports strip)
- Runaway! (historical war strip)
- Monsters! (SF strip)
- The Schoolboy Wonders (sports strip)
- The Rescue Squad (war strip)
Lurdan
old wave
I had a vague recollection of an online discussion about right wing American comic creators a few years ago but cannot now find it. I did discover this archived page from Bleeding Cool at the time that Brendan Mccarthy's views first became known.
I've heard of some of them but aside from Frank Miller I've no recollection of their work. (Even in a couple of cases where I know I've read some of it).
I've heard of some of them but aside from Frank Miller I've no recollection of their work. (Even in a couple of cases where I know I've read some of it).
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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I quite enjoyed Bill Willinghams Fables, up until Bigby Wolf had an outrageously bias, inaccurate, (and unnecessary) Pro Israel / anti Palestinian rant / speech.
I really can't see it myself considering the enemy stole all the heroes lands and forced them out. If anything it's the reverse, but with the adversary still winning
I really can't see it myself considering the enemy stole all the heroes lands and forced them out. If anything it's the reverse, but with the adversary still winning
DaveCinzano
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Homophobe
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
Mordi
Amoral adventurist
Not forgetting that the Tintin character first appeared in what became Tintin and the Soviets for a rightist Catholic newspaper. Obviously Herge's politics underwent some dramatic changes to enable him to pen the posthumously published Breaking Free.
Mordi
Amoral adventurist
Was in Battle; the writer always intended it to be anti-war, pro-working class and non-jingoistic.
Just don't google "Pat Mills" "David Icke" OR "James Heartfield"
I'm dreading the answer but I'm going to have to ask as a quick search didn't help.
What's up with Pat Mills? I
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Pat mills!!!!
DaveCinzano
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Brendan's at it again 
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Depressing. I was never a big fan anyway. Often shoddy.Brendan's at it again
Still haven't found out what Pat Mills was mentioned for. That would be pretty disappointing if true, and quite surprising given the nature of some of his stories. . . .
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Not sure if this story is best here or on the 2000AD page but Alan Grant is doing a community comic for the Covid-19 situation so one to add to the "not a bonkers right wing shill" list.
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Yeah, that's more than slightly off topic. Reverse.
DaveCinzano
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He went rather Randist though!
DaveCinzano
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He's spoken rather uncritically of Icke, and has promoted Heartfield (an RCP/IoI/Spiked type).
Not totally appropriate to this thread, but close enough, a friend just relayed this little tale about Grant Morrison.
Back in the 90s when Grant Morrison got really into chaos magick he did a thing in the Invisibles letter column about how if you create a sigil for something you want to happen and then masturbate while staring at it, you can make it happen. So he put one in the comic for it to go up in the charts and asked all the readers to dutifully wank over it.
Back in the 90s when Grant Morrison got really into chaos magick he did a thing in the Invisibles letter column about how if you create a sigil for something you want to happen and then masturbate while staring at it, you can make it happen. So he put one in the comic for it to go up in the charts and asked all the readers to dutifully wank over it.
Lurdan
old wave
I've seen him compliment Heartfield's book about WWII which is an interesting piece of debunking if you can get past who it's by. (Admittedly a big ask as far as I'm concerned). Is there a link to the Ickery ?
InfoBurner
Deep fried chip butty.
Not a link as such but as a sequel to 'Third World War' in Crisis (RIP), he wrote 'Finn' for 2000ad starting in 1992. Where the war against multi-nationals continued. And to quote from the Wiki...
' In the eponymous strip in 2000 AD it emerges that the leaders of the corporations are in fact a secret society of powerful aliens called Newts. '
Which has a proper ring of Ickeness. Icke started with the whole Jew/lizard thing around then and if I remember rightly, instead of masquerading as The Illuminati, the aliens in the strip were dubbed, 'Shining Ones'.
I found it amusing at the time, I was reading a lot of Anton Wilson, a writer whose focus was on the phenomena of conspiracy theories, rather than the theories themselves. Not so funny in hindsight once Icke's agenda revealed itself
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Sweet FA
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Isn't that just knitted together masonic/nazi/illuminati imagery used loads of times previously?
DaveCinzano
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It's a question of nuance. For example, he speaks about the Heartfield book as though it is the sole critical history of WW2 out there, or indeed as if it was a key primary source-based learned work; interesting as it is, it is a relatively brief ‘pop history’ compendium, and it is a secondary source based mostly on secondary sources.
(He also talks of conspiracies - actual rather than figurative - to prevent discussion of anti-war, anti-imperialist or pro-working class themes as they relate to the war, notably around the time of the centenary of the First World War's end.)
There have been other, less explicit, sojourns into RCPish territory (sort of contrarian-meets-gnostic-with-a-hint-of-populist), but I can't think of any specific examples right now.
The first time I recall noticing it was in a series of interviews for the Forbidden Planet website's blog, which unfortunately is currently offline. He returned to the theme many times in various podcast/blog interviews elsewhere as well. Generally he might just namecheck Icke as someone with ‘theories’, but occasionally he does rev it up into more laudatory territory.
InfoBurner
Deep fried chip butty.
It was the newt/lizard similarity that prompted me to post. Anyway after some cursory digging found this interview with Mills from 2012 on summat called CBR.
www.cbr.com
He's rattling on about a rehash of an old 2000ad strip called Flesh, about time travelling cowboys herding dinosaurs for the meat industry and comes out with this...
Where did the idea for the half-human half-dino reptoids in "Midnight Cowboys" come from and will we see any more in "Badlanders?"
Pat Mills: 'Oh, yes -- they're back in force in the next book. I've always been fascinated by intelligent dinosaurs and the reptoid theories of David Icke.'
Not a smoking gun. Maybe it's just lizards for Mills ?
Pat Mills Digs Into 2000 AD's "Flesh"
Legendary creator of "2000 AD" Pat Mills talks about his long-running, time-travelling cowboys and dinosaurs saga "Flesh," what to expect in the new installment "Badlanders," his thoughts on the "Dredd" film and more.
www.cbr.com
He's rattling on about a rehash of an old 2000ad strip called Flesh, about time travelling cowboys herding dinosaurs for the meat industry and comes out with this...
Where did the idea for the half-human half-dino reptoids in "Midnight Cowboys" come from and will we see any more in "Badlanders?"
Pat Mills: 'Oh, yes -- they're back in force in the next book. I've always been fascinated by intelligent dinosaurs and the reptoid theories of David Icke.'
Not a smoking gun. Maybe it's just lizards for Mills ?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
As I mentioned originally, there are innumerable mentions of Icke by Mills, particularly in written versions of interviews.It was the newt/lizard similarity that prompted me to post. Anyway after some cursory digging found this interview with Mills from 2012 on summat called CBR.
Pat Mills Digs Into 2000 AD's "Flesh"
Legendary creator of "2000 AD" Pat Mills talks about his long-running, time-travelling cowboys and dinosaurs saga "Flesh," what to expect in the new installment "Badlanders," his thoughts on the "Dredd" film and more.
He's rattling on about a rehash of an old 2000ad strip called Flesh, about time travelling cowboys herding dinosaurs for the meat industry and comes out with this...
Where did the idea for the half-human half-dino reptoids in "Midnight Cowboys" come from and will we see any more in "Badlanders?"
Pat Mills: 'Oh, yes -- they're back in force in the next book. I've always been fascinated by intelligent dinosaurs and the reptoid theories of David Icke.'
Not a smoking gun. Maybe it's just lizards for Mills ?
In my experience, the more extensive Icke mentions, where he goes beyond a brief namecheck but actually offers an opinion (typically of the ‘well, it's left-field but there has to be something in it otherwise why do they try so hard to silence him?’ variety) are in full audio interviews, rather than trimmed down written versions.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Seriously? Shit, that's a shame he always seemed like one of the good ones.
Lurdan
old wave
Cheers.
Just found a 2014 interview with him here where he says
They've since written a sequel called 'Prolonging The Agony: How International Bankers and their Political Partners Deliberately Extended WW1'. On the about us page of their site they say:
The authors summary at the end of their second book
By volume two there also seems to a great deal of focus on the 'Secret Elite's' desire to destroy Germany. It doesn't follow that they are necessarily going to take one of the obvious directions this might lead towards. However I imagine at least part of their readership will have already made that journey and treat this as confirmation of their views.
Heartfield is one thing. This is rather more 'esoteric' to say the least.
One of my siblings introduced me to 2000AD shortly after it started publishing and when I first read 'Invasion' I remember thinking that it could be taken more than one way. Well I guess it all adds to the interest doesn't it.
Changing the subject completely I came across a reference to Ian Gibson uttering stupid views about coronavirus. The source of this suggestion is completely unreliable however and I can't find any evidence at all to support it. Has anyone else seen this ?
Don't have a problem with pop history myself. Pop history written by the likes of Heartfield is another matter.
Just found a 2014 interview with him here where he says
The authors website is here:
They've since written a sequel called 'Prolonging The Agony: How International Bankers and their Political Partners Deliberately Extended WW1'. On the about us page of their site they say:
I found and skimmed 'evaluation' copies of these texts and we are indeed into classical historical revisionist conspiraloon territory. The 'Secret Elite' of British Imperialists with their bankers the Rothchilds. There's even a handy chart of their composition
The authors summary at the end of their second book
By volume two there also seems to a great deal of focus on the 'Secret Elite's' desire to destroy Germany. It doesn't follow that they are necessarily going to take one of the obvious directions this might lead towards. However I imagine at least part of their readership will have already made that journey and treat this as confirmation of their views.
Heartfield is one thing. This is rather more 'esoteric' to say the least.
I see there are a lot of podcasts and interviews with him on Mixcloud but there are limits even to my curiosity
One of my siblings introduced me to 2000AD shortly after it started publishing and when I first read 'Invasion' I remember thinking that it could be taken more than one way. Well I guess it all adds to the interest doesn't it.
Changing the subject completely I came across a reference to Ian Gibson uttering stupid views about coronavirus. The source of this suggestion is completely unreliable however and I can't find any evidence at all to support it. Has anyone else seen this ?
DaveCinzano
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His character Anarky is fully fitted out in ‘neo-tech’, the Objectivism-rooted philosophy created by convicted tax-evading fruitcake Frank R Wallace.
Also found this Polish comic fan interview in which he says: “I was thrown out of the Scottish Young Socialists for being too right-wing, and I was thrown out of a branch of London conservatives for being too left wing. And when the British anarchists saw what I’d done with Anarky, they decried it for being a capitalist rip-off.”
hitmouse
God laid a big egg in my heart to tell you this
I feel like any comics-related recommendation I suggest to DaveCinzano would be a bit like trying to make conversation with a metalhead by going "so, did you ever hear of Slayer?" but anyway, have you read much of Martin Barker's stuff?
DaveCinzano
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The only Martin Barker I can think of is the cultural studies dude? I liked his book about Action (seminal), his one about reading films (From Antz To Titanic) less so.
hitmouse
God laid a big egg in my heart to tell you this
That's the one, a writer about comics rather than a comics writer? And similarly a writer about whether comics are dodgy/bonkers right wing or not rather than a bonkers right wing writer in his own right, from what I know of him. I remember A Haunt of Fears as being really interesting, haven't read the one about Antz, looking him up apparently he has one called Comics: Ideology, Power and the Critics which seemingly neither of us have read but you might be interested in? And he also has one about Judge Dredd, although that looks like it might be more about the film? Also heh heh you said seminal.
DaveCinzano
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