Comics about the Wild West and Native Americans

Discussion in 'books, films, TV, radio & writing' started by TruXta, Feb 7, 2018.

  1. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Growing up I devoured comics (and books), amongst them comics about the Wild West - cowboys and Indians. We've always had a fairly eclectic comic book market back home, with lots of French, Benelux, Italian and Spanish comics alongside UK and US comics perhaps more familiar to UK readers.

    A different thread sparked memories of such a few and I wanted to reminisce a bit as well as asking for recommendations of titles I mightn't've heard of.

    One of my all time favourites when I was little was Tex Willer. First published in 1948 by an Italian writer/artist duo, it was a big hit across parts of Europe in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Apparently it's Italy's longest-running title that is still being published.

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    Tex is a classic man's man with a strong honour code, and a lawman to boot. Yet the world of Tex Willer wasn't a John Wayne black and white moral affair. He fights whites as well as Indians, usually along with sidekick Kit Carson. His ultimate nemesis is Mefisto, a kinda Satanic character that reoccurs as the evil mastermind seeking to kill Tex and his allies.

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    I've not read any Tex Willer for decades, so I can't really say how it stands up today, but I have fond memories nonetheless. It seemed quite adult to me back then, certainly more so than my next fond memory.

    Sølvpilen or The Silver Arrow, was a Belgian title created by Frank Sels in 1965. Featuring the eponymous hero as the chief of the Kiowa tribe, the focus here was less on moral ambiguity and more on peace. The Silver Arrow seeks peace between warring natives and invaders. That said, all wasn't hippy dippy. One of the chief draws for a young male audience was the nubile Moonbeam, or Månestråle as I knew her. While scenes like these were usually censored from Norwegian editions, it goes to show the kinds of values that underlay some of the writing.

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    The above shows Moonbeam about to be tied up to a pole (which happened regularly - see below) whilst awaiting sacrificial murder. Fantastically exciting stuff for a 10 year old.

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    The two above were probably my first two Wild West comic loves alongside Lucky Luke, which should need no introduction, and Blueberry - ditto.
     
  2. Mation

    Mation real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold

    Perhaps less so for a 10 year old Native American.
     
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  3. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Yes of course. But I didn't know that as a 10 year old from Norway.
     
  4. Mation

    Mation real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold

    Sure. But you're talking about it now.
     
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  5. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    I'm talking about how I felt about it at the time. Bit of a difference, no?
     
  6. Mation

    Mation real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold

    Saying "fantastically exciting stuff for a 10 year old" implies any 10 year old and is different to saying "fantastically exciting stuff for 10 year old me".

    If you're wanting to reminisce fondly about the things that you enjoyed as a child, I think it's important to be explicitly clear - if those things contain racist and sexist tropes - about what you think and assume. It isn't obvious from what you wrote that you are currently aware that this would not be exciting stuff for a great many 10 year olds.
     
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  7. Mation

    Mation real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold

  8. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Go somewhere else if you want to argue, can't be fucked with this.
     
  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i think it would excite a reaction in the heart of a 10 year auld native american.
     
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  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    wasn't hitler a great fan of westerns? they were immensely popular in germany in the early 20th century.

    e2a: so he was

    Michael Dirda on 'Hitler's Private Library'
     
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  11. Idris2002

    Idris2002 incels to the gulag

    When my grandfather was 16 he had a row with his history teacher about some point of Irish history, and was excluded from the class for six months.

    He spent that time standing in the corridor outside the classroom, reading westerns.

    I just thought I'd share that with you all.
     
  12. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    Friend of mine grew up on Lucky Luke
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    Never read it myself
     
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  13. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby The end is meh

    I liked when Swamp Thing journeyed through time and met a load of DC legends - that was when Rick Veitch was writing it.

    I can't remember if he met Jonah Hex in that story, mind

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  14. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    Strange that it never fully established itself in UK. It was huge in Europe.
     
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  15. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    I loved Karl May's Winnetou as a child. Read all the volumes several times.
    Karl May apparently never made it to America. It's all just his imagination, which is weird, considering how observant and descriptive his writing is.
    The films were shot in Romania.
     
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  16. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    I didn't get into these sort of comics when I was 10 , would probably have enjoyed then tbf .
     
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  17. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    yeah he read it in Turkish even...
     
  18. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    recently there was a movie version with Terence Hill which was crap.
     
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  19. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby The end is meh

    Someone here recommended "Scalped", it's a kinda modern day western about a Native American cop who heads back to the reservation who grew up in and tackles the casino gangster. The 3 volumes I've read are really, really good.

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  20. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

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  21. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    Anyone read Tin Tin in America? No doubt super dodgy
     
  22. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    I've got the first in the series of this, for obvious reasons :thumbs:
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  23. DaveCinzano

    DaveCinzano WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!

    Long time fan of linedancing?
     
  24. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Spurs and chaps
     
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  25. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby The end is meh

    Yup. But as a kid, I loved it.There's a wee bit of commentary in it of how the white man steals the land from the native Americans, iirc.

    This is the best bit
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  26. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    I guess they were popular in most of Europe at the time? Worth bearing in mind that the Wild West was wild up until the very late 19th century, so this was all within living memory as it were. As far from a 1920s European as the Vietnam war would be from us.
     
  27. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    I think Stalin was as well as Tito . The East Germans produced westerns in the 60s and 70s. Apparantly the pre war western novels of Karl May had been popular in Germany but he was liked by Hitler and considered to be anti socialist. Instead they commissioned films based on an East German author who was sympathetic to the plight of the native Americans . Sons of the Great Bear is supposed to be the biggie , the good whites coming to the aid of the Native Americans .
    Die Söhne der großen Bärin (1966) - IMDb
     
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  28. Pesty

    Pesty Well-Known Member

    I read the thread title as asking for suggestions of good Western comics that focused on Native Americans. So I suggest 'Comanche Moon' by Jack Jackson. Because I adore it. I'll let this article speak for its brilliance:
    The Bronze Age Of Blogs: Comanche Moon
     
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  29. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

  30. seventh bullet

    seventh bullet red mullet

    The Soviet Union also produced Western-influenced 'Easterns,' mostly horseback action films set in the Steppe or Central Asia during or not long after the Russian Civil War. Red Army, Cheka or Bolshevik militia versus remnant Whites, Basmachi rebels and bandits, even dastardly anarchists.
     
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