Combating hopelessness

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by friendofdorothy, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    I can relate to this...
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  2. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    yep. One look at the anti strike laws on the front page of the mail this morning and I wanted to put my foot through the newstand
  3. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Thank you everyone on this thread - I really appreciate this discussion. It's given me a lot to think about. There is a great appetite for change but no clear idea of how it can be done, and that is ok.

    Its great to know I'm not alone in feeling this

    Its good to be reminded that change is possible.

    Its encouraging to hear what some of you are doing to keep going.

    Please lets keep talking about this.
  4. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Yes there seems to be an increase in the number of burglar alarms, secure blocks and gated estates over here, so perhaps thats how the rich feel here too. Perhaps this is why they seem to be 'cleansing' London of its poorer occupants.
  5. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    I'd be up for this - do you think we could do it as a private message group here on urb, would that work? I'm not really sure what is involved - I'm wracking my brains of what we did in feminist CR groups - but that was a life time ago. Presumably we would need some guidelines, but I don't know what.

    Is anyone else here interested?
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  6. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    What's a consciousness raising group? What does it do / what's it for?
  7. Greebo

    Greebo 'scuse me, Mrs May, can I have my country back? R.I.P.

    AFAIK to help you remember that you're not broken, society is. And to provide moral support, rehearse ways of handling situations etc.
  8. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    A lot needs to be done to counter to the "no alternative" and "we're all in this together" messages and the rest of the govt narrative. I'm not very familiar which union campaigns or organisations you mentioned - so will be going away to look them up.

    I think a lot of what you say echos other posters here, and I don't think anyone here has any conclusions either. I suppose I'm hoping to find a new way to keep up my momentum - to find some more hopeful way of looking at the future now I'm neither youthful or energetic.
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  9. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

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  10. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    In '70s/'80s feminism the idea was that we all needed to alter the way we were thinking about the world and womens role in it, to educate ourselves and each other. The big idea was the personal was politcal. It was grass roots politics - feminism had no central office, no leaders, no party line, it was all from individual up and not the other way around. Millions of women all over the world small groups of women got together in each others living rooms. Before internet it was a good way to share books, pamplets, then organise demos and ralllies.

    Big campaigns against war, male violence, sexual abuse and rape grew out of this. Alternative life styles were discussed and explored. Lots of issues about disability, race and class priviledge came up too.
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  11. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    I think it was useful, the way UKUncut made tax avoidance a massive issue, so every time a tory ran out one of those lines there was a quick, easy counter. But it hasn't led to either something being done about tax avoidance, or created a space where anti-austerity messages took hold, let alone been part of a wider defeat of austerity / move back to the social democratic consensus we had in the post-war period. I think UKUncut did really well, and what was achieved shouldn't be dismissed, but it didn't lead to any material gains, and there wasn't a strong enough wider movement to take advantage of the ideational (?) gains they did make. The TUC didn't help, after March 26th did fuck all, and UKUncut was done in by all the arrests at Fortnum and Mason (though I think it had also run its course, the tax avoidance issue was a huge issue by that point, UKUncut weren't needed to make it one anymore). I still don't quite get how the demo on March 26th demobilised the union / labour left stuff, but it did.
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  12. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

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  13. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

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  14. oryx

    oryx Sitting on the bock of the day

    Maybe I'm being naïve here but is the recent budget announcement on non-doms a bit of a victory for anti-tax evasion campaigners?
  15. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    Or maybe a last kick in the teeth for someone who they perceive as holding them back in their last term...
  16. brixtonscot

    brixtonscot Well-Known Member

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  17. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    Avoidance not evasion.
    The non dom stuff has been around for years, labour started charging to have this status years before the crash and it's not something ukuncut campaigned about directly. I don't know how much credit you can really give on this specific thing.
  18. Greebo

    Greebo 'scuse me, Mrs May, can I have my country back? R.I.P.

    You can now - you just "start a conversation" then "invite" (ie add in) anyone you'd like to be there.

    You can set it so that only the OP can add people, or (more risky) so that anyone already there can add anyone.

    Anyone can choose to "leave the covnersation" ie not see it anymore at any time.

    Bear in mind that PMs aren't moderated, so it might be a good idea to set up some ground rules.
  19. ice-is-forming

    ice-is-forming Well-Known Member

    I started and sustained a womens consciousness raising group in the early 80's. These days i like the idea of recovery orientated values to promote change and provide people with relationships that enable hope, personal and community empowerment, change & growth.

    Building healthy communities starts at grass roots level; assess needs, plan, implement & evaluate. I've had some success in a small rural town here that is slowly dying due to federal and local government decisions & actions. I now work with a small army (well around 30 of us atm :D ) who i have managed to get funding/grants for to train in various aspects that can benefit the most vulnerable in this community. We all support each other and our numbers are steadily growing. I could step away from this 'project' now and it would run without my input, independent of the organisation that I work for. We are making an impact and are starting to be asked for input into local council meetings and decision making :cool:
  20. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Banned Banned

    When you have a community with no respect for its own members happy to tear strips off each other then what hope is there?
  21. ice-is-forming

    ice-is-forming Well-Known Member

    Do you have respect for others? do you tear strips off people? No, of course you don't... and there's your hope. It may be small and fragile right now, and you may have to hold it for people until they can hold it themselves. But focus on the strengths not weaknesses in your community and it'll get stronger.
  22. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Banned Banned

    i was referring to this community.
  23. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    You post crap like this then whinge and moan about lack of respect. Why on earth did you come back?
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  24. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Banned Banned

    You're proving my point. Calling what i say 'crap' is entirely disrespectful and entirely in keeping with the clique authoritarian "I am considerably more class warrior than you" that permeates this site. There are plenty (not all) users who act to others as if they have a stink of shit permanently staining their nostrils. They are judgemental and no less divisive than the tories. I find this ridiculous and counter productive
  25. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Your post was massively disrespectful to everyone on this board, you lumped us all into one and dismissed us with a wave of your hand. Honestly you need to have a long hard look at yourself.
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  26. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Banned Banned

    Except I didn't lump everyone together: if you did you would not have missed the part that said "there are plenty (NOT ALL) users..."

    Again, that's disrespectful and entirely the sort of behaviour I'm talking about.
  27. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    You bloody well did lump us all in together. It's just a one way thing with you, everyone should respect you regardless of how you behave. You need to grow up, it doesn't work that way here or anywhere. I still don't know why you came back to do the same old moan over and over again.
  28. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Banned Banned

    What part of the sentence i quoted could possibly mean what you have read into it?

    You are reading what you want in what I have said in order to exercise your own prejudice and you don't like the fact you've been called out on that.
  29. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

    Seeing as you've been banned and no doubt will be again when the mods cotton on you're not really a 'member of the community' are you?
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  30. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Banned Banned

    Then your definition of a community is very different to mine.

    But it's not really relevant is it. It doesn't change the fact that people on here, despite claiming to care about issues pertaining to welfare, justice and all the rest of it, don't care to extend those principles to everyone. When you're happy to sniff and sneer at people who are on the same page as you then you are no better than the people you criticise. It is divide and rule which you and i both know is the oldest trick in the book and it's really sad to see a community of the left (or whatever word you care to use) fall for it so willingly.

    <snip real names and picking fights - surprised no-one reported this - mango5>

    I'd rather be part of no community than share a platform with arseholes like that. They won't ever change and neither will the politics of this country.
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