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Collingwood, sportsmanship, Eng vs NZ

A friend of mine was there and said the over-rate was appalling. Endless changes to the field, mooching back slowly to positions, long drinks breaks. Hopefully this will give all teams a kick up the arse.

Who will be stand-in captain? I bet Vaughan will be on the phone to Moores to stake his claim. Pietersen seems an obvious choice, thought Colly could see him as a threat if he does a good job.
 
gabi said:
Jesus. From a cheat to... a saffer (and a cunt even by their standards).. thats progress.
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Really? He's always struck me as a nice chap underneath the character he's portrayed as.

Seen him play a couple of times and he was very generous with his time for autograph hunters, and polite too.
 
Alex B said:
Really? He's always struck me as a nice chap underneath the character he's portrayed as.

Seen him play a couple of times and he was very generous with his time for autograph hunters, and polite too.
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How can you explain his 'slow over rate' up in Birmingham?

Not to mention this ludicrous claim that his decision at the Oval was 'split second'? He had minutes, not seconds to think about it.

He's always seemed like a decent enough guy yeh, but those two decisions mark him out as a cunt on the field. I'd say even the Aussies wouldn't pull shit like that. Vettori's reaction when they fucked up the last ball and lost was out of character for him but totally understandable.
 
On another note, imagine if a similar situation crops up in the $20,000,000 game over in Antigua? I wonder if people would criticise him then? I doubt it.

Sad pointer to where the game's going.
 
I'm afraid cricket will be ruined by money. Top players like Shane Bond are already leaving the Test arena to take the Twenty20 rupee. How much more interesting would the last test series have been with Bond playing?:(
 
gabi said:
How can you explain his 'slow over rate' up in Birmingham?

Not to mention this ludicrous claim that his decision at the Oval was 'split second'? He had minutes, not seconds to think about it.

He's always seemed like a decent enough guy yeh, but those two decisions mark him out as a cunt on the field. I'd say even the Aussies wouldn't pull shit like that. Vettori's reaction when they fucked up the last ball and lost was out of character for him but totally understandable.
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Hang on... I was talking about KP. Were you?
 
gabi said:
How can you explain his 'slow over rate' up in Birmingham?

Not to mention this ludicrous claim that his decision at the Oval was 'split second'? He had minutes, not seconds to think about it.

He's always seemed like a decent enough guy yeh, but those two decisions mark him out as a cunt on the field. I'd say even the Aussies wouldn't pull shit like that. Vettori's reaction when they fucked up the last ball and lost was out of character for him but totally understandable.
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Not sure if I've got this right, but I thought Alex was referring to Pietersen.

As for Collingwood, I think England as a collective have made a conscious decision to be more 'Australian' in their approach, and have taken the interpretation a couple of steps too far - that they even entertained appealing says quite a lot about the change in mentality.

Regarding the 'heat of the moment' , it could more accurately be taken as immersion in a competitive game, not necessarily a split-second decision. When he reflected on it later, away from the heat of battle (to coin a phrase), he realised it was a poor decision - both morally and practically, what better way to motivate the NZ team than this?

eta: ops, Alex has already spoken for himself.
 
Alex B said:
Hang on... I was talking about KP. Were you?
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Oops. :o

I ran into KP up at a Man U game last year. Well, he and Colly were there actually. The difference was palpable. KP loved the attention he was getting, Colly couldn't wait to get into the directors box. So yes, I'm sure KP has always been good with giving autographs. He probably gets a hard-on while doing so.
 
gabi said:
Eh? Each player on the winning side gets $1m. Losers get nothing.
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Yes i know. You said:

imagine if a similar situation crops up in the $20,000,000 game over in Antigua? I wonder if people would criticise him then? I doubt it.
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Why would i or anyone else whose criticised him change my/our opinion because there's money involved? I wouldn't be getting any money from it, so i don't see how or why it would effect my/our judgement one way or the other.
 
butchersapron said:
Yes i know. You said:



Why would i or anyone else whose criticised him change my/our opinion because there's money involved? I wouldn't be getting any money from it, so i don't see how or why it would effect my/our judgement one way or the other.
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The point is that with that amount of money on offer I think people would probably go 'well, for $1m, I'd probably do the same - he IS acting within the laws of the game after all - he'd be an idiot to call the batsman back'.

Cricket's unique in the sporting world for its tradition of sportsmanship, but I reckon that could partially be down to the relative lack of big money in it for the players.
 
gabi said:
The point is that with that amount of money on offer I think people would probably go 'well, for $1m, I'd probably do the same - he IS acting within the laws of the game after all - he'd be an idiot to call the batsman back'.

Cricket's unique in the sporting world for its tradition of sportsmanship, but I reckon that could partially be down to the relative lack of big money in it for the players.
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I'd argue golf is the most sporting (although many hesitate to call it a sport) and the money at stake is colossal.

I think pampering is a bigger factor in unsporting behaviour - some footballers, in particular, believe they can do no wrong.
 
gabi said:
The point is that with that amount of money on offer I think people would probably go 'well, for $1m, I'd probably do the same - he IS acting within the laws of the game after all - he'd be an idiot to call the batsman back'.

Cricket's unique in the sporting world for its tradition of sportsmanship, but I reckon that could partially be down to the relative lack of big money in it for the players.
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I disagree. If you're the sort of person concerned about the spirt of the game you're not going to change yor mind just because someone else may get some dosh from behaving badly. There's no incentive there to change your opinion - in fact there's an incentive to harden it if anything.
 
gabi said:
Cricket's unique in the sporting world for its tradition of sportsmanship.
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Sledging, not walking when you know you're out, appealing when you know it is not out - all accepted parts of the game. I think you are confusing today with the 1930s. Oh, hang on, then there was Bodyline...
 
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