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"Memory".Crispy said:
Colharbour Lane / Old Dolehouse Photographs
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of course!Crispy said:Are you sure you want me to?
Crispy said:
oh i agree with you. especially about the fetishism. at nottingham for the first two years we adhered to a strong education based on drawing and presenting a project with fully accounted for constructional details, ventilation studies, service plans etc. But you quickly realise that this is hugely important in architecture - how to build buildings right? Yet it is just a show, you cannot comprehend how it works in terms of a real life project, no matter how many site visits you do. When you really learn about the bread and butter of architecture is in the fourth year. where you are flung into a practice.
Crispy said:
the undergraduate part is poorly treated in schools, yes, the first year is mainly weeding out slackers, the second is how someone can draw a project together using rudimentary concepts to drive a design programme. Having nearly failed the first two years, I realised more and more that I was not studying architecture to become an architect, I was failing at being a good architectural technician yes, yet i was learning how to follow an idea through into a coherent and expansive body of artistic work. this made me happy. I know i will never be a great architect, and I don't really mind. there re plenty of things to do on the periphery of architecture. how does architecture progress if there is no extensive investigation into architecture as a future scheme of built environments? this is what i felt they were teaching us about. about things that might (or might not) supercede current methods of producing architecture.
In diploma it becomes a very individual pursuit of an architectural project. and ultimately very technical. there is a greater requirement to comply with planning regs etc. so everyone has to produce a building and a technical document explaining how it is built. Even the craziest bartlett unit. What they do is in the first year they rush ahead and design a building and spec it up to the nth degree. in the second year of diploma they do their architectural experimentation
Crispy said:Back to my changing room layouts
haha. in my 4th year i worked for a small firm in rural hertfordshire designing nursing home bathrooms
__mø said:
Well you never know waht random is reading waht here abouts.
Keep plodding in an amiable manner, enjoy the diversity of the community here and I'm sure you will find many here willing to pass on knowledge and comment.
*posting from West Penwith.
__mø said:
deity of intellectual skaters.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Ah, so you aspire to be a commentator on architecture, rather than an architect? That's quite a different matter
Maybe I'm just bitter. I found myself nearing the end of my 1st diploma project, and all I had was a sci-fi story and some pretty bubbles. And this was what I'd been encouraged to do. I realised it had bugger all to do with the job I did, so got out of there quickly. Best decision I ever made
Maybe I'm just bitter. I found myself nearing the end of my 1st diploma project, and all I had was a sci-fi story and some pretty bubbles. And this was what I'd been encouraged to do. I realised it had bugger all to do with the job I did, so got out of there quickly. Best decision I ever made
Crispy said:Ah, so you aspire to be a commentator on architecture, rather than an architect? That's quite a different matter
Maybe I'm just bitter. I found myself nearing the end of my 1st diploma project, and all I had was a sci-fi story and some pretty bubbles. And this was what I'd been encouraged to do. I realised it had bugger all to do with the job I did, so got out of there quickly. Best decision I ever made
my last project entailed building second tier instruments that filled in the gaps between a cityscape and its sound. i am interested in interactive elements of architecture and site specific installation, hopefully i will find something that i can do hat interests me and advances architecture and generally makes things better. and i did architecture instead of fine art because i don't have the security to mess around and be a starving artist, so my vocation will hopefully provide me with some backup. i feel like quitting the course all the time, but it would be a huge waste of my time. i don't plan on qualifying though, a diploma is quite enough.
__mø said:
I think Borden and the above got me thinking about what I'm involved in ...and My Own We're All Dooooomedness
... www.cornishhedges.com untethered said:
it will..it has to...return to a base of where you Live...not jus where you Exist at certain points of time. /Polpot mode
Peter Ackroid's always banging on about spacial residue (although not those words). So a place has a certain feeling or type associated with it based on previous usage. e.g. he argues the Old Bailey has been a roman fort gate used to imprison people, several later prisons, and now a court because it has the idea of cime and punishment intrinsically associated with it somehow.
Could all be arse of course.
Could all be arse of course.
and on this note I will leave the Thread for the real Locals to comment.
hedges are solid with rocks in'em... you were playing in a hedge-row.
well sort of.
re flat building...again IIRC there's not much there in the sense of area...and hieight wise..again IIRC you wouldn't get way with much...so the flats would be pokey and prolly wouldn't stand the test of time given the current trends..ping pong ping pong ping pong ping pong.
It'll end up as flats.
Does the original shell have to stay?
Is it there any anyways already?!
* I signed-on in there once..the following week it was closed and they made you go down to the then new offices in Peckharm.
** I also have a historical connection with the building/Cooltan(the original squatting of both the factory & the dolehouse)... but none of it is relevant to your current inquiries & interest...BUT the story features in my Life atm coz a friend 2 miles from me here isn't answering his phone coz i mentioned some ol'Cooltan bollocks with a connection to Urban the otherday and he went into a tizzy..long story....hence my scrutiny_ish.
__mø said:
hedges are solid with rocks in'em... you were playing in a hedge-row.
well sort of.
re flat building...again IIRC there's not much there in the sense of area...and hieight wise..again IIRC you wouldn't get way with much...so the flats would be pokey and prolly wouldn't stand the test of time given the current trends..ping pong ping pong ping pong ping pong.
It'll end up as flats.
Does the original shell have to stay?
Is it there any anyways already?!
* I signed-on in there once..the following week it was closed and they made you go down to the then new offices in Peckharm.
** I also have a historical connection with the building/Cooltan(the original squatting of both the factory & the dolehouse)... but none of it is relevant to your current inquiries & interest...BUT the story features in my Life atm coz a friend 2 miles from me here isn't answering his phone coz i mentioned some ol'Cooltan bollocks with a connection to Urban the otherday and he went into a tizzy..long story....hence my scrutiny_ish.
memespring said:
indeed. however there is probably some merit in picking up something about previous existence and transforming it as part of something new everything tends to recycle in one way or another, sometimes it is done consciously and sometimes it is not.
but yes. could be all arse
memespring said:
THE LAND OF COKAYGNE
Out to sea, far west of Spain,
Lies the land men call Cokaygne.
No land that under heaven is,
For wealth and goodness comes near this;
Though Paradise is merry and bright
Cokaygne is a fairer sight.
For what is there in Paradise
But grass and flowers and greeneries?
Though there is joy and great delight,
There's nothing good but fruit to bite,
There's neither hall, bower, nor bench,
And only water thirst to quench.
And of men there are but two,
Elijah and Enoch also;
Sadly thither would I come
Where but two men have their home.
In Cokaygne we drink and eat
Freely without care and sweat,
The food is choice and clear the wine,
At fourses and at supper time,
I say again, and I dare swear,
No land is like it anywhere,
Under heaven no land like this
Of such joy and endless bliss.
There is many a sweet sight,
All is day, there is no night,
There no quarreling nor strife,
There no death, but endless life;
There no lack of food or cloth,
There no man or woman wroth.
There no serpent, wolf or fox,
Horse or nag or cow or ox,
Neither sheep nor swine nor goat,
Nor creeping groom, I'd have you note,
Neither stallion there nor stud.
Other things you'll find are good.
In bed or garment or in house,
There's neither flea nor fly nor louse.
Neither thunder, sleet nor hail,
No vile worm nor any snail,
Never a storm, nor rain nor wind,
There's no man or woman blind.
All is sporting, joy and glee,
Lucky the man that there may be.
There are rivers broad and fine
Of oil, milk, honey and of wine;
Water serveth there no thing
But for sight and for washing.
Many fruits grow in that place
For all delight and sweet solace.
There is a mighty fine Abbey,
Thronged with monks both white and grey,
Ah, those chambers and those halls
All of pasties stand the walls,
Of fish and flesh and all rich meat,
The tastiest that men can eat.
Wheaten cakes the shingles all,
Of church, of cloister, bower and hall.
The pinnacles are fat puddings,
Good food for princes or for kings.
Every man takes what he will,
As of right, to cat his fill.
All is common to young and old,
To stout and strong, to meek and bold.
There is a cloister, fair and light,
Broad and long, a goodly sight.
The pillars of that place are all
Fashioned out of clear crystal,
And every base and capital
Of jaspar green and red coral.
In the garth there stands a tree
Pleasant truly for to see.
Ginger and cyperus the roots,
And valerian all the shoots,
Choicest nutmegs flower thereon,
The bark it is of cinnamon.
The fruit is scented gillyflower,
Of every spice is ample store.
There the roses, red of hue,
And the lovely lily, too,
Never fade through day and night,
But endure to please men's sight.
In that Abbey are four springs,
Healing and health their water brings,
Balm they are, and wine indeed
Running freely for men's need,
And the bank about those streams
With gold and with rich jewels gleams.
There is sapphire and uniune,
Garnet red and astiune,
Emerald, ligure and prassiune,
Beryl, onyx, topasiune,
Amethyst and chrystolite,
Chalcedony and epetite.' *
There are birds in every bush,
Throstle, nightingale and thrush,
Woodpecker and the soaring lark,
More there are than man may mark,
Singing with all their merry might,
Never ceasing day or night.
Yet this wonder add to it -
That geese fly roasted on the spit,
As God's my witness, to that spot,
Crying out, 'Geese, all hot, all hot!'
Every goose in garlic drest,
Of all food the seemliest.
And the larks that are so couth
Fly right down into man's mouth,
Smothered in stew, and thereupon
Piles of powdered cinnamon.
Every man may drink his fill
And needn't sweat to pay the bill.
When the monks go in to mass,
All the windows that were glass,
Turn them into crystal bright
To give the monks a clearer light;
And when the mass has all been said,
And the mass-books up are laid,
The crystal pane turns back to glass,
The very way it always was.
Now the young monks every day
After dinner go to play,
No hawk not any bird can fly
Half so fast across the sky
As the monk in joyous mood
In his wide sleeves and his hood.
The Abbot counts it goodly sport
To see his monks in haste depart,
But presently he comes along
To summon them to evensong.
The monks refrain not from their play,
But fast and far they flee away,
And when the Abbot plain can see
How all his monks inconstant flee,
A wench upon the road he'll find,
And turning up her white behind,
He beats upon it as a drum
To call his monks to vespers home.
When the monks behold that sport
Unto the maiden all resort,
And going all the wench about,
Every one stroketh her white toute.
So they end their busy day
With drinking half the night away,
And so to the long tables spread
In voluptuous Procession tread.
Another Abbey is near by,
In sooth, a splendid nunnery,
Upon a river of sweet milk,
Where is plenteous store of silk.
When the summer day is hot
The younger nuns take out a boat,
And forth upon the river clear,
Some do row and some do steer.
When they are far from their Abbey,
They strip them naked for their play,
And, plunging in the river's brim,
Slyly address themselves to swim.
When the young monks see that sport,
Straightway thither they resort,
And coming to the nuns anon,
Each monk taketh to him one,
And, swiftly bearing forth his prey,
Carries her to the Abbey grey,
And teaches her an orison,
Jigging up and jigging down.
The monk that is a stallion good,
And can manage well his hood,
He shall have, without a doubt,
Twelve wives before the year is out,
All of right and nought through grace,
So he may himself solace.
And the monk that sleepeth best,
And gives his body ample rest,
He, God knows, may presently
Hope an Abbot for to be.
Whoso will come that land unto
Full great penance he must do,
He must wade for seven years
In the dirt a swine-pen bears,
Seven years right to the chin,
Ere he may hope that land to win.
Listen Lords, both good and kind,
Never will you that country find
Till through the ordeal you've gone
And that penance has been done.
So you may that land attain
And never more return again,
Pray to God that so it be,
Amen, by holy charity.
*must stop surfin...
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
__mø said:
Ahem - well if you are referring to all of those as "institutions", it suggests that you have already turned SLAM's phone directory into a generator of architectural forms.
No, the top three are institutions, the rest are subsidiary components of what is loosely defined as support services for the rehabilitation of the mentally ill (although some of them are part of institutions). I have read into what each provides, with particular interest in ones that provide 'art therapy'
i am interested in this art therapy the most, and how art can and has acted as a rehabilitative force in the lives of many people diagnosed as mentally ill.
the purpose of accumulating these names together was to assess firstly what services are available in the area and secondly what these services provide. if there are more that i have missed please feel free to tell me.
I have talked to doctors in other parts of the country about systems in place dealing with mental health in the nhs, current trends and future plans with regards to funding etc. and have come to the conclusion that since the introduction of care in the community, these fragmentory facilities offer better rehabilitation than previous models of mental healthcare. what is evident is that the funding is not always there to extend these programs and develop them into more forward reaching processes that command how a mentally ill person interacts with the world after being part of an institution.
As i said, i am particularly interested in the idea of art therapy, and my project will essentially be based on extending and expanding art therapy in a way that increases a proponent course of action relating an individual to their environment. rehabilitation.
i am interested in this art therapy the most, and how art can and has acted as a rehabilitative force in the lives of many people diagnosed as mentally ill.
the purpose of accumulating these names together was to assess firstly what services are available in the area and secondly what these services provide. if there are more that i have missed please feel free to tell me.
I have talked to doctors in other parts of the country about systems in place dealing with mental health in the nhs, current trends and future plans with regards to funding etc. and have come to the conclusion that since the introduction of care in the community, these fragmentory facilities offer better rehabilitation than previous models of mental healthcare. what is evident is that the funding is not always there to extend these programs and develop them into more forward reaching processes that command how a mentally ill person interacts with the world after being part of an institution.
As i said, i am particularly interested in the idea of art therapy, and my project will essentially be based on extending and expanding art therapy in a way that increases a proponent course of action relating an individual to their environment. rehabilitation.
'site context' and 'project context'
it is all very well proposing a facility for the rehabilitation of schizophrenics, but when considering a)what its real function is and b) where it should be involves looking at the history of mental healthcare in london, and the present situation, and any discrepancy or shortcoming of a system currently in place.
it is all very well proposing a facility for the rehabilitation of schizophrenics, but when considering a)what its real function is and b) where it should be involves looking at the history of mental healthcare in london, and the present situation, and any discrepancy or shortcoming of a system currently in place.
'precedents'
are not solely looking at the architecture of a building used for whatever function. there needs to be an engagement with other situations in the past and present where rehabilitation is more successful and less successful. for example in rural areas there is a higher success of mentally ill people rejoining society successfully. in developing countries too. yet the services may be inferior. why is that?
are not solely looking at the architecture of a building used for whatever function. there needs to be an engagement with other situations in the past and present where rehabilitation is more successful and less successful. for example in rural areas there is a higher success of mentally ill people rejoining society successfully. in developing countries too. yet the services may be inferior. why is that?
Okay, so I'm lazy and I just skimmed this thread - stopping at times to read with bemused amusement - but..........
As far as the question, "what is the oldest profession?" is concerned, I think it's a toss up (oh yeah!)
If anyone is bothered, please think about this.
As far as the question, "what is the oldest profession?" is concerned, I think it's a toss up (oh yeah!)
If anyone is bothered, please think about this.
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