Clubs playing songs after they score

[Johnny Canuck3]

Sorry, I was being dry

More of that british wit that passes over the heads of us colonials. Don't forget, we're so dense that we can't appreciate the beauty of soccer, preferring instead to give our athletes wooden sticks, body armour, and sharpened metal blades, with which to chase a rubber disc around at thirty miles an hour, and shoot at 100 miles per hour, when they aren't accosting one another with said armour and implements.

 

[Firky]

Watching the game is more dangerous than playing. What with broken bottles being stuffed into your face and that.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Here's a good one.



The guy in orange, Donald Brashear, went on to play for Vancouver. Unfortunately, he caught a bad stick on the head from a guy named Marty McSorley. Now Brashear can't play any more: he's got brain damage.

He gave some pretty good lickings while he still had his wits about him, though.

You used to be able to see him walking his dog around Yaletown.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Watching the game is more dangerous than playing. What with broken bottles being stuffed into your face and that.

Which one: hockey or soccer? At hockey games, the beer is served in plastic cups.

 

[Firky]

It almost looks scripted to me, dude.

 

[Firky]

Which one: hockey or soccer? At hockey games, the beer is served in plastic cups.

Football, sorry.

Am off to bed, nn

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It almost looks scripted to me, dude.

It's not. The fight where Brashear sustained brain injury, here at GM Place, was anything but scripted. It was also the closest we ever came to having some english style hooliganism take place at a hockey game.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Imagine anything remotely similar happening to one of those shiny-locked soccer primadonnas.


"He touched me!"

 

[Yossarian]

I you want to educate me, I'll read anything you've got, but I can assure you that the violence figures at english soccer matches, are way higher than anything that we get over here at any of our sporting matches, except maybe for WWF wrestling.

Violence among fans tends to take place before the game or afterwards - kind of like the Stanley Cup riots in 1994!

You're right that there's definitely more fan violence associated with football than with hockey though, but I reckon a lot of that is down to the fact that North America's too big for large numbers of fans to follow their team around like they can in the UK - if there was a large contingent of travelling Canadiens fans there every time they played the Leafs I think there'd be a few fights breaking out.

 

[Yossarian]

I went to a NHL game and was bored out of my brains to be honest. Couldn't see the ball.

I like the atmosphere at NHL games, and definitely haven't been bored at one - were you watching one of those new teams like Anaheim or Columbus or something?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

So it's all a myth, then?

Boy, you sure had us fooled!

So, in recent years, how many major incidents of violence can you refer me to at England games? There was one seven years ago in Euro 2000, a fair stretch I'm sure you'll agree, there was some trouble at france 98. Nothing much at the last two world cups,though.

Of course there has, in the past, been trouble at England football games, but the way you make it sound like the reason that the MAJORITY of people in Britain attend sport is just pathetic, typical lazy north american wankery. It's not even the reason the majority of people attend England games, never mind football as a whole (or even sport as a whole - the last cricket-related violent incident, anyone?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I'm telling you what the perceived stereotype is. 'English', with 'cross of st george'.

This is the cross of st george, isn't it, or am I wrong about that?

My god! Some people having the audacity to walk down the street, wearing the flag of their own country!

The nerve of some people!

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I'm claiming two things. One: the worldwide perception of english soccer fans, is that of a bunch of violent fuckwits. Truth; that's what the perception is.

Interesting, so if the 'perception' is that black people are prone to mugging, on the basis that a few muggings were committed by black people, that means that the truth is that black people are prone to mugging too, does it? Cos that's where your logic leads.

 

[Gromit]

You have to remember that the media absolutely love to publish stories about football violence yet ignore incidents at rugby matches.

So you might think football has more fan violence but it doesn't it just has more reported in the press.

When I used to got drinking in town every weekend there was always a gang of rugby lads looking for a pint and a fight. Their night wasn't complete without a punch up. Give me footballers any day.

At least the soccer holligan firms tend to keep to beating each other up at prearranged venues rather than laying into randoms in the pub.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

You have to remember that the media absolutely love to publish stories about football violence yet ignore incidents at rugby matches.

So you might think football has more fan violence but it doesn't it just has more reported in the press.

When I used to got drinking in town every weekend there was always a gang of rugby lads looking for a pint and a fight. Their night wasn't complete without a punch up. Give me footballers any day.

At least the soccer holligan firms tend to keep to beating each other up at prearranged venues rather than laying into randoms in the pub.

I'm not sure that's true tbh...

football certianly has more violence fan wise than rugby, however the difference is that ruby thugss will beat people up and football thugs smash property. it's the damaging of the property which is the reportable thing, not the human aspect. broken nose glassing brusing etc just isn't a sexed up as £35,000 worth of damage on this street is was £12,000 alone...

JC2: the cross of saint george is a national flag rather like the one you guys cut out from that maple syrup bottle and stuck on your flag. It being the national flag of the UK can you guess predominantly which football team might use that flag would it be anyone of the local town and regional based teams or would it maybe be the national team? which do you think it might be?

you are wrong too and it's not comparable to contrast hockey and football any more than it is to compare hockey and tap dancing, or football and motorsport. you also clearly missed the cultural differences between canada and the UK.

 

[Andy the Don]

Hockey fans:

Soccer fans:

You obviously have not been in the cheap seats at Madison Square Gardens to watch the New York Rangers play the Boston Bruins. Although New York v Boston at any sport is the nearest North America has to the type of rivalry seen in football.

 

[JTG]

I've no problem with the playing of a song in it's self - but I really don't like the way they do it, they just don't take into account the culture & character that an area or set of fans have.

People wouldn't mind as much if it was a club song, something that is connected with the city & thats linked with fans. But it rarely is. It's usually just a generic 'celebratory' song. Which is rubbish.

Only up to a point. As I said, Millwall have 'Let 'em come' (I think, they did last time I went there which was a few years ago now) which does work, but only because when they score all three home sides of the ground are giving it loads, joining in and generally being a bit scary. Should point out for the benefit of certain people on this thread that even at Millwall this doesn't generally translate to the streets outside the ground afterwards

I can't see it being the same at Rovers, even if they played Irene or Turning On The Gas (or even Rod Hull & Emu's seminal 1974 classic 'Singing Bristol Rovers All The Way' ). We're best off doing it our way - the spontaneous explosions of joyful noise and jumping on top of each other like loons generated when we scored against the c*ty, Swindle and Lincoln in the play offs last season wouldn't have been enhanced in any way by the addition of recorded music. It was all about us and our reaction to it, not some local radio goon hitting 'play' on the CD deck.

 

[JTG]

is footage of the greatest goal Wembley will ever see. You can't see the goal very well but I think you get an idea of the response to it from 40,000 people at one end of the ground. How exactly would this moment have been made any better by some tit playing James Brown at full volume? And would anyone have noticed anyway?

Loads more like that on there, I was in the tier more or less immediately above where that footage was taken screaming myself hoarse and hugging anything that moved at that point

 

[Augie March]

I always find it funny that many clubs use Chelsea Dagger as a 'Touchdown' song, having to cut out the music before it hits the 'Chelsea, Chelsea!' chorus.

 

[editor]

I'm claiming two things. One: the worldwide perception of english soccer fans, is that of a bunch of violent fuckwits. Truth; that's what the perception is.

There's all sorts of unpleasant and inaccurate generalisations that pass for 'the truth' amongst the tabloid-fed, but I would have thought you'd have the intelligence to research the facts before blindly repeating them here.

Seeing as you refuse to do the research yourself and want to kep on wallowing in ignorance, here's the facts:

The FA has today welcomed today's Home Office report which revealed that football-related arrests for the 2005-06 season fell by 7% from the 2004-05 season. This follows successive decreases of 11% and 10% in previous years.

The figures show that a total of 3,462 individuals were arrested at domestic games and matches abroad involving England national teams and English clubs, the lowest since records began and averaging at 1.15 per match. Arrests constitute 0.01% of domestic football crowds, with 43% of Premiership and Football League matches completely police-free.

Of the estimated 350,000 England fans that travelled to Germany this summer for the World Cup, 25 were arrested for football-related offences. ...

So that's an average of just over one fan arrested per match.

Kind of makes your claims about "whole sections of the crowd... preoccupied with beating the crap out of one another" look more than a little stupid and ignorant, doesn't it?

Sure, British football has had serious problems with hooliganism in the past and some still goes on now, but it's always been a minority of fuckwits doing the fighting.

But hey! That can happen in all sports from time to time. Even boring baseball.

 

[fela fan]

Unfortunately i only get to see my footy on the telly these days, but the bonus is i do get to see tonnes of live matches.

I've noticed this music thingy, and it is deplorable to the extreme, and that's only having to put up with it when watching on the telly. One of the finest things in life for me used to be at my team's ground when we scored a goal. I loved the noise and cheering and going mad and atmosphere. To have all that fucking ruined and bastardised and drowned out by ANY music seems an act greater than treason to me.

What a disgusting north american import it is. Why can't fan power get rid of it totally and forever? Who are the people who have imposed this thief of atmosphere on everyone?

 

[robotsimon]

"He touched me! Wahhhh.....!"

 

[rekil]

I'm claiming two things. One: the worldwide perception of english soccer fans, is that of a bunch of violent fuckwits. Truth; that's what the perception is.

Two: whatever your level of game associated violence is, it dwarfs similar figures for sporting events in NA, where there is no tradition of inter-team fan violence etc.

There's not much soul-searching about sports hooliganism within the US - and what little there is tends to focus on the behaviour of African-American basketball players rather than predominantly white football fans. For no matter how many college games end in drunken mob violence (as many do), no matter how many American city centres see running battles between sports fans and riot police, the US sports media continues to present hooliganism as something utterly un-American. (This blinkered provincialism has parallels with the 1996 decision by the US State Department to "red flag" parts of south London as no-go areas for American tourists, claiming that Millwall was as dangerous as Guatemala - which, at the time, was overrun by right-wing death squads.)

When it comes to hooliganism, the US media really is the pot calling the kettle black. Riots at US sports events occur far more frequently than they do in the UK. And yet, in American popular culture, the "hooligan" is almost without exception portrayed as a soccer fan (and nearly always as English).

http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,1660884,00.html

 

[fela fan]

Hey, this thread's turned into a double thread, with johnny at the heart of it... what a shock!

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

STATISTICS ON FOOTBALL RELATED
ARRESTS & BANNING ORDERS Season 06/07

Total League attendances - 29,578,141 arrests - 2,833

Total Cups attendance - 9,053,996 arrests - 955

So pretty small proportion overall, although I did read somewhere recently that there had been a small rise again recently I'm sure.

 

[editor]

Hey, this thread's turned into a double thread, with johnny at the heart of it... what a shock!

You jealous or something? Please keep your off topic pops to yourself. We're talking about football here.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

So that's an average of just over one fan arrested per match.

Kind of makes your claims about "whole sections of the crowd... preoccupied with beating the crap out of one another" look more than a little stupid and ignorant, doesn't it?

Sure, British football has had serious problems with hooliganism in the past and some still goes on now, but it's always been a minority of fuckwits doing the fighting.

But hey! That can happen in all sports from time to time. Even boring baseball.

Well put

 

[Gromit]

So that's an average of just over one fan arrested per match.

and of those 1 arrests per match a large number of them will be unrelated to holligansm as they are drug or drink offences, racsim and the occasional streaker.

 

[fela fan]

You jealous or something? Please keep your off topic pops to yourself. We're talking about football here.

No, you were, but then you started rabbiting on about hockey. Hockey is off topic to the thread you started, and i attempted to steer it back on track.

But if you and others want to talk about hockey and who has the most violence and other stuff, feel free. It's your thread and your website, sorry i spoke.

As you were.

 

[Jazzz]

Oh dear!

I love footie but have to admit that JCs conception is not entirely unjustified.

I went to a Spurs game recently (vs Blackburn), as an Arsenal fan. An interesting experience. The home fans spent much of their time abusing the away support (whose only crime, it seemed, was to turn up), and indeed abusing Arsenal, who weren't even present, apart from me of course, but they wouldn't have known that.

I have to say a visitor from another country might wonder about the level of civilisation here in the UK from such an experience.

Maybe no actual fighting broke out, but there were certainly plenty of police present, and I wonder if we might like to include the policing costs of various sports in our assessments.

Outside the ground I bought an Arsenal badge from a street vendor. As I started pinning in onto my top the woman looked horrified and said "you aren't going to wear it?"