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beesonthewhatnow said:Yet another example of why anarchist ideas never get anywhere, they're all too busy fighting each other
yes yes yes - heard it all before, try something new next time
You know, like class struggle
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yes yes yes - heard it all before, try something new next time
You know, like class struggle
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No, its class war politics...Attica said:
Look you are getting worse now. In plain English explain to me how an anarchist group such as Class War taking steps to get rid of someone somehow means there is a split? What was the result of said vote? How many people want you to stay and are willing to 'split'? Please try and clear this up otherwise I fear others will also be using the word 'nutter' to describe you.
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No, I don't think so. I think you should all get along together and play nice. Attica, you should remember to use your Indoor Voice and not pull people's hair when they say they don't like it.Attica said:
Now run along - I think there's some orange squash and maybe some cake in the other room.
darren redparty
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then why start the thread?
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The fact that Class War is reduced to airing its dirty laundry on an unrelated public message board speaks volumes. What a pointless fucking circle jerk. Get a room.
i can't believe that attica thinks it wise to post up a load of internal dirty washing from class war. if he was serious about revolution and that, then surely this would all be better done behind closed doors, or doors pulled slightly closed, than in front of senior scotland yard figures, for which this site is famous.
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Revolutionary dignity? Trying to find out what counts as revolutionary dignity, I used Google. It came up with a couple of pictures of Peter Tosh and this rather odd one of someone else: http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images/034_ComicPope1.jpgBAKU9 said:Perhaps by trying to prove them wrong and with some revolutionary dignity?
Anyway, what are the accusations against the eminent criminologist and fox-protector?
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BAKU9 said:
You haven't understood the debate, you've leapt to the wrong conclusions. A clue, read exactly what was written and don't read ANYTHING further into it.
As for a debate not going to your liking and not containing things you want to read/understand... Oh Boo hoo - things ain't on a plate, you're just going to have to accept that posters on these boards all have DIFFERENT agendas.
What you read isn't always what people believe, often it is for political effect...
Such as Paul Marsh who posted up on this thread FIRST about the 'internal Class War business/no confidence motion'. Then on the internal Class War boards, LYING, said that 'Attica wants a split'. This IS NOT true. In fact you could read that as 'projection', him revealing what he wants secretely and imposing that upon me....
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sparkler said:
But thats the point, I didn't. It was Paul Marsh who did 'the crime' first, I just defended myself when it was aired....
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LLETSA said:
Then you get all sorts of idiots with nothing to do coming along and spreading their shite, who have 'other' agendas... Such as Letsa...
You know, I really don't substitute these boards for class struggle like others appear to
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darren redparty said:
Did you not see my earlier post - here it is fully reproduced...
"Originally Posted by dennisr:
so Paul started this thread then?
That's not the point, I started this thread on a potential split, WHICH IS an entirely different matter to a 'no confidence vote' in an individual. For that, Paul is entirely responsible, I am not responsible for his actions, he has free will..."
Adding here is a friendly contribution I received via PM (I will credit the AUTHOR if he wants it - I will check in the morning) - I reproduce it here so you can see that there is more to 'internal' politics than first meets the eye.
Some great revolutionary said that vision is important - "revolutionaries are those that can see the furthest", and that is what I always try to do. In terms of CW, acrimony leads to splits, so you have to QUESTION THE MOTIVES OF THOSE WHO FORWARD CONFLICTUAL MOTIONS like this... In this case, I think he is being precious, Paul too... That is merely one of the issues to explore re the splitting 'debate'...
"I think you need to put in some background explanation here, so we can understand what you are talking about. It's not clear whether you mean: (i) one or two people leaving Class War, and joining another existing anarchist/revolutionary group or (ii) Creating two separate groupings or worse still, and more confusingly two separate Class Wars (like the short-lived Class War Organisation (CWO)).
Whilst there is no point people staying with a group if they are deeply unhappy with its aims, methods, structure and personel, splits of the second type rarely if ever do any not good. They are often over personal animosity rather than substantive political differences, dilute resources -- financial, personal and emotional -- and lead to confusion (the CWO example again).
Of course new groupings can work in alliance with older ones, but that requires an non-acriminous departure. Radical groupings have always been at the most effective when working collegially with others. J18 being a prime example, they are least effective when they try to dominate or go-it-alone. So if you do split, you'll need to work out how will you work with those you have left behind, who else will you be struggling alongside. Are you going to create yet another separate organisation or join an existing grouping whose politics are similar to yours?
... it seems likely that a parting of the ways would be most beneficial for all concerned. I hope you are thinking of how you can best meet your radical desires beyond CW without interfering with the efforts of your former comrades and friends."
Attica said:You know, I really don't substitute these boards for class struggle like others appear to
The working class should be very grateful to people like you..Have you ever thought of getting together with that bloke from the International Bolshevik tendency ? Could be a marriage made in heaven...
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JHE said:
But that's just it JHE - THERE ARE NONE. Unconstitutionally, authoritarianly (indeed Leninistly/Stalinistly), expediently etc. 'they' are trying it on!! It has nothing to do with an actual offence/crime/misdemeanor, and EVERYTHING to do with their political agenda. I am a libertarian in a wide sense, and their authoritarian traits dominate their personalities and approach to politics far more... In short, it is part of a wider battle/ class struggle for the soul of Class War, and as such, one I will NOT shy away from...
Who are 'they'? The 'dark' side
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tbaldwin said:
I am quite humble you know - its just that I have a developed opinion and I am very confident... Its only the lack of people, including those with personality, that means I 'stand out'...
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