Civil Service union - PCS - votes for strikes over pay

[Zachor]

"scab, cut and run" coward

the only time you are brave is when you are posting anonmously isn't it?

Bollocks I've done the personal bravery bit in the past and it got me nowhere now its time to look after number one for a bit.

Its not being a coward to not slag off the shit management whilst you are in employment its common sense.

Now please go back to your fantasies about solidarity. Leave others to deal with reality.

If you had a realistic suggestion about how to turn 80%+ non compliance with a strike call then I'd really like to hear it.

Unions, I shit 'em mate. Left two already cos they didn't treat either myself or my co workers right.

And as for being anonymous I've said plenty in staff meetings about the appalling state of my organisation. Thats me myself on my own not hiding behind either a union or a dogma.

 

[Fedayn]

That is what I'm going to do when I leave and go to a new job.

Oh aye, that'll really worry them, a scab who doesn't care about his workmates getting righteously idnignant. Oh the irony.....

 

[Zachor]

Oh aye, that'll really worry them, a scab who doesn't care about his workmates getting righteously idnignant. Oh the irony.....

As I've said in a post above. I've spoken out in staff meetings and to management about the appalling state of my org and its got me nowhere. Oh and the union rep was the guy sitting in the corner saying fuck all.

My workmates are righteously indignant its just they and me are so pissed off with what passes for a union that many of us resigned.

 

[Fedayn]

Oh and the union rep was the guy sitting in the corner saying fuck all.

So you're saying that you're rep might not be that good at their 'job'? The surely it's a case of getting the staff together and democratically removing said rep?!

My workmates are righteously indignant its just they and me are so pissed off with what passes for a union that many of us resigned.

Then might I suggest that you and your pals return any pay rise received, any terms and conditions incresed/bettered given you're not in the union that negotiates these issues?! No course you won't.

 

[Zachor]

So you're saying that you're rep might not be that good at their 'job'? The surely it's a case of getting the staff together and democratically removing said rep?!

Oooh! Now why didn't I think of that. actually it was talked about but the levels of apathy in the downtrodden meant that the rep was never challenged.

Then might I suggest that you and your pals return any pay rise received, any terms and conditions incresed/bettered given you're not in the union that negotiates these issues?! No course you won't.

Why should we? Its not as if the union did us any favours and we had a settlement imposed on us anyway.

 

[Zeppo]

Many of us resigned - really big of you and your workmates. That will scare management.

Zachor if you are pissed off with the union and union reps then vote the latter out and be a rep yourself.

I voted yes for action in the PCS ballot. We will be up against it in this dispute. All the reasons will be coming out - recession wrong time to strike, civil servants with their big pensions lucky to be in a job etc..

Civil servants have been getting below inflation or for some 0% pay rises plus cuts in jobs. The future looks bleak but if we do not fight for improvements now - we will be stuffed for the next 5 years. I do not expect sympathy but if u are in PCS get involved.

 

[Fedayn]

Oooh! Now why didn't I think of that. actually it was talked about but the levels of apathy in the downtrodden meant that the rep was never challenged.

So you all sat glum, moaned about apathy and then did fuck all about it. You're the king if irony you really are.

Why should we? Its not as if the union did us any favours and we had a settlement imposed on us anyway.

You're happy to take any benefits without any of the pay back for those benefits. And you're blaming the union for it being imposed. You're a fucking walloper and a scab.

 

[Zachor]

You're happy to take any benefits without any of the pay back for those benefits. And you're blaming the union for it being imposed. You're a fucking walloper and a scab.

What extra benefits? We had a settlement imposed on us.

The union didn't do jack shit for us. Even sat quiet in the corner (not the local rep but the departmental one) while we were told that although we had the money to pay it consultants £400+ per day we had to shed staff and double and treble up workloads.

Come up with some fucking sensible suggestions will you instead of just shouting 'scab' everytime you useless dogma about unions and solidarity is challenged.

 

[Zachor]

As an off topic aside maybe the workers in each department/ agency should choose their own union, one that recognises their needs and working practices rather than being lumped in with one super union where workers in one dept can sway the vote due to other depts being crippled by apathy.

 

[Groucho]

As an off topic aside maybe the workers in each department/ agency should choose their own union, one that recognises their needs and working practices rather than being lumped in with one super union where workers in one dept can sway the vote due to other depts being crippled by apathy.

Yep!

Why not workers in each chair have their own union so as not to have their voted skewed by the idiots sitting opposite them?

 

[dennisr]

Bollocks I've done the personal bravery bit in the past and it got me nowhere now its time to look after number one for a bit. ... and the usual endlessly repeated shite

just fuck off you obsessive , self-centred scabby cunt

 

[dennisr]

So you all sat glum, moaned about apathy and then did fuck all about it. You're the king if irony you really are.

absolutely - his idea of 'activity' is to turn up and derail every thread where the PCS have been mentioned for the last year. And why given he doesn't give a fuck in the first place?

"me, me, me" - the cunt

 

[Fedayn]

What extra benefits? We had a settlement imposed on us.

The union didn't do jack shit for us. Even sat quiet in the corner (not the local rep but the departmental one) while we were told that although we had the money to pay it consultants £400+ per day we had to shed staff and double and treble up workloads.

Come up with some fucking sensible suggestions will you instead of just shouting 'scab' everytime you useless dogma about unions and solidarity is challenged.

You're the one needing to come up with something new. You ran away bleating. You and your mates have fucked off and are now sniping from the sidelines doing managements job for them. Helping them when your workmates are on strike. Not just in your office but your department. You're like those wankers in senior managenemt who trot out the line, 'Oh yes I used to be a TU rep....' Forgetting to add of course 'Then I shat my principles when I got a place at the trough.'

I've been in shitty TU run places, and like others weither fought to a standstill and got a differnt job or fought and got the useless rep removed.

What department/group are you in?

 

[dennisr]

What department/group are you in?

I wouldn't waste your time going ovr this with him. Serious activists spend weeks of understanding and sympathy on the useless plank. One even got in touch with his rep and gave him all the information about becoming a rep himself.

He's not really interested - he's a lying scabby shithouse and attentionseeker - its a weird form of perverted self-image

 

[Fedayn]

As an off topic aside maybe the workers in each department/ agency should choose their own union, one that recognises their needs and working practices rather than being lumped in with one super union where workers in one dept can sway the vote due to other depts being crippled by apathy.

Yeah that's an idea, the smaller the union the better. Genius, sheer genius.... An injury to one is an injury to a quarter of the union'......

You reckon it would be a good idea if each department withing the civil service had executives that allows autonomy to a degree. The ability to organise on a group level with the backing of the national union if needs be. Yes, I wonder why no-one though of that before?!

 

[dennisr]

Yeah that's an idea, the smaller the union the better. Genius, sheer genius.... An injury to one is an injury to a quarter of the union'......

You reckon it would be a good idea if each department withing the civil service had executives that allows autonomy to a degree. The ability to organise on a group level with the backing of the national union if needs be. Yes, I wonder why no-one though of that before?!

They could organise disco's (outside of working hours), bingo nights and everything and Zach could find some mates. it would be just 'great'

After all thats what a union is for isn't it??

 

[Zachor]

just fuck off you obsessive , self-centred scabby cunt

See as usual no positive suggestions from Dennisr.

 

[dennisr]

See as usual no positive suggestions from Dennisr.

oh the irony

 

[Looby]

What picket line? I'm not a member of PCS. How does a pcs picket line affect me? Not my problem.

Its not as if I'm crossing my own unions picket line is it. Oh I see its this mythical 'solidarity' bollocks. Sorry that don't exist outside the minds of union activists.

PCS showed no solidarity with its members so fuck them.

Can we not turn this thread into yet another one that's all about this cunt. He's a whinging, lying scab and isn't worth our time. I'm glad he resigned from PCS and I bet his branch are too.

 

[Zachor]

absolutely - his idea of 'activity' is to turn up and derail every thread where the PCS have been mentioned for the last year. And why given he doesn't give a fuck in the first place?

"me, me, me" - the cunt

Oi shithead. (just thought I'd sink to your level for a moment) The PCS is NOT serving its customers ie members as well as it could do whats wrong with bringing that up.

As for the repetition well the stupid do need to have things repeated to them don't they.

 

[Groucho]

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As for the repetition well the stupid do need to have things repeated to them don't they.

Oh ok.

Scab!

 

[dennisr]

Can we not turn this thread into yet another one that's all about this cunt. He's a whinging, lying scab and isn't worth our time. I'm glad he resigned from PCS and I bet his branch are too.

i second that motion *puts hand up*

 

[Zachor]

Yeah that's an idea, the smaller the union the better. Genius, sheer genius.... An injury to one is an injury to a quarter of the union'......

You reckon it would be a good idea if each department withing the civil service had executives that allows autonomy to a degree. The ability to organise on a group level with the backing of the national union if needs be. Yes, I wonder why no-one though of that before?!

I think that there should be a public sector wide confederation but with workers in each section / dept choosing the union that most satisfies their needs.

The current situation isn't exactly a glowing sucess is it.

 

[dennisr]

I think that there should be a public sector wide confederation but with workers in each section / dept choosing the union that most satisfies what I want as a cowardly snivilng scab.

The current situation isn't exactly a glowing sucess is it.

i corrected it for you. Be honest you couldn't give a toss. obsessive weirdos union

 

[Fedayn]

Oi shithead. (just thought I'd sink to your level for a moment) The PCS is NOT serving its customers ie members as well as it could do whats wrong with bringing that up.

As for the repetition well the stupid do need to have things repeated to them don't they.

Unions don't have 'customers' you thick twat. It's not about 'servicing' or 'serving', it's about organising. You want to be spoon fed like a shitting child in nappies. You moaned about the apathy, then like some of your co-thinkers, did fuck all about it. Find the stone you crawled out from under and crawl back under it.

 

[dennisr]

Unions don't have 'customers' you thick twat. It's not about 'servicing' or 'serving', it's about organising. You want to be spoon fed like a shitting child in nappies. You moaned about the apathy, then like some of your co-thinkers, did fuck all about it. Find the stone you crawled out from under and crawl back under it.

what about the disco?

 

[Fedayn]

I think that there should be a public sector wide confederation but with workers in each section / dept choosing the union that most satisfies their needs.

The current situation isn't exactly a glowing sucess is it.

Well since the current NEC has been in place PCS has grown in the 10's of thousands, yeah some have left. Some I ergret leaving others I don't./ But given the sheer uselessness of the union as you claim how do you explain the big rise in mebership?

The current anti TU legislation makes it much more difficult to organise along the lines you refer to. personally i'd rather 1 civil service union to cover ALL CS jobs, ie take in the FDA and prospect aswell.

 

[dennisr]

Unions don't have 'customers' you thick twat. It's not about 'servicing' or 'serving', it's about organising. You want to be spoon fed like a shitting child in nappies. You moaned about the apathy, then like some of your co-thinkers, did fuck all about it. Find the stone you crawled out from under and crawl back under it.

Zachor: "It's not my fault it's everyone else's fault - they did did it sir, not me, I didn't do nutthink 'onest guv - they fibbed to me - i just wanted cheap car insurance. I jkust wanted to belong"

*stamps feet and screams*

 

[Zachor]

Unions don't have 'customers' you thick twat. It's not about 'servicing' or 'serving', it's about organising. You want to be spoon fed like a shitting child in nappies. You moaned about the apathy, then like some of your co-thinkers, did fuck all about it. Find the stone you crawled out from under and crawl back under it.

FYI I did try to see what the response I would get amongst my co workers for a challenge to the status quo and all I got was 'why bother'.

Also although not wishing to say that organising isn't important there is a strong service element in what a union does whether it be providing certain types of training, workplace grievance representation and a whole lot more. Its this service aspect of this particular union and how it treats members which has fallen down. No doubt there are extremely good organisers out there but its a waste of time organising people if they are going to get let down when the going gets tough. That sort of thing just discredits TU's.

As I may have mentioned before I also resigned from the NUJ years ago as they were backing the Wapping strikers (who were not NUJ members) with cash from my wallet yet when I went to my MoC for help with a problem I was having they said that funding the Wapping dispute was a priority. I and others were getting in deep shit financially but the union WE were paying for was not representing US but were propping up causes that many of us didn't agree with.

 

[glenquagmire]

If you didn't agree with backing the Wapping strikers then you deserve everything bad that happens to you, at work or elsewhere.