Civil Servants - how many days holiday do you get
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boohoo
No.
No, I don't do things like composing letters. I type them, NOT compose them
Preparing first drafts of factual briefs and other submissions for Ministers and senior management, replies and ministerial correspondence etc.
No fucking way
They train you...it's easy really...
It's just usually more cut and paste.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
No, I don't do things like composing letters. I type them, NOT compose them
Preparing first drafts of factual briefs and other submissions for Ministers and senior management, replies and ministerial correspondence etc.
No fucking way
1st Drafts?
As an EO I've submitted briefings straight to ministers.
I might ask my line manager to take a look as a favour if its really contencious but most of the time i don't bother.
Minnie_the_Minx
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I doubt I'd be expected to do that. What would I send the AG or SG a submission about?
I'll leave that to the lawyers
Same here - as an EO (although we don't call em that in my dept.) I would expect to submit final submissions to Ministers without getting them cleared by senior management although they will be copied in. Also the Civil Service with it's cutbacks is the same as any other place - additional responsibilities, more work, less staff etc - although as boohoo pointed out it is easy but sorry, no cut n paste - haven't done that since I was an admin assistant working in a customer service role.
Minnie_the_Minx
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hm, I think maybe I'll go for the AO job. Can't be doing with having to compose stuff.
hm, I think maybe I'll go for the AO job. Can't be doing with having to compose stuff.
Why not go for the AO job and see how it goes? Any possibility of promotion later on?
Minnie_the_Minx
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The money doesn't look too good. I may end up worse off
The other reason is I'm not a sodding pen-pusher! I'm supposed to be a secretary
Minnie_the_Minx
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Have looked at TSols payscales and PSs get paid more than AOs. I think they're changing the jobs to AOs 'cos they're cheaper
scifisam
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Yeah - it's just surprising that they're giving you the legal minimum. Worse than some companies actually, since a lot of places give the legal minimum and then bank holidays on top!
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
PS jobs are no longer offered in TSol. The scale is there to protect the ones who are on it, and to await the conclusion of negotiations to combine it with the AO grade.
But yeah, it's cheaper!
Minnie_the_Minx
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So the current PSs pay is kept, but any new secretaries are now rebranded as AOs on a lower wage?
What's O? We have 'Ranges' AO= R3&4, EO= R5&6, HEO= R7&8, SEO = R9 - it was a cost cutting thing splitting the grades into 2 different ranges
but all staff no matter how long they've been working get 30 days 
Minnie_the_Minx
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Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I have never heard of any department which calls EO grades O grades! 
However, they do call them lots of other things...
However, they do call them lots of other things...
Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
30 days - that was in 2004.
EOs are the engine rooms of departments. Yes, there are a few gene puddles around, but you get those at all grades. They, along with the AOs and AAs (I was an AO but jumped to a HEO(D) after being turned down for 5 EO posts.D)) do a lot of the less appreciated but still vitally important work.
EOs are the engine rooms of departments. Yes, there are a few gene puddles around, but you get those at all grades. They, along with the AOs and AAs (I was an AO but jumped to a HEO(D) after being turned down for 5 EO posts.
D)) do a lot of the less appreciated but still vitally important work.30 days for everyone from day 1 you enter the Department. Bank holidays, Queen's birthday when do they work I hear. Honestly, we are all working our noses to the grindstone. Downside is cuts and more cuts, less people doing an ever increasing workload. More privatisations. Below inflation pay deals two years running. Staff morale is yes - rock bottom but we still have a job but maybe not in the future.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Before any envies the leave allowances.
Civil sevants get fobbed off with extra leave instead of pay increases.
Net result, we still have the same amount of work to do in a year but have less time to do it in as no one else has time to do any of it for you whilst you are away. It's a mixed blessing. Yeah I get an extra week off but when I come back off leave I have to bust a gut and do three times as much work to catch up. It's almost not worth going on leave cause by the end of the catch up period you are in need of a break even more than you were before you went on leave.
Civil sevants get fobbed off with extra leave instead of pay increases.
Net result, we still have the same amount of work to do in a year but have less time to do it in as no one else has time to do any of it for you whilst you are away. It's a mixed blessing. Yeah I get an extra week off but when I come back off leave I have to bust a gut and do three times as much work to catch up. It's almost not worth going on leave cause by the end of the catch up period you are in need of a break even more than you were before you went on leave.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Ask them about the EO job, and find out if they're serious about you applying for it. As people have said, the actual jobs vary wildly from department to department. In all likelihood they want a glorified office manager - which you could probably do standing on your head. If they're keen to work you into the new structure, you'll probably find that you're in a position to write your own job description - to some extent anyway.They're doing away with temps at my job. They're replacing the temp PSs with permanent AOs. AOs are cheaper. They've told me I'm welcome to apply for the permanent job. I don't want a permanent job (not with this department anyway). They've also said they'd be an EO position and I could apply for that, but having just looked at that job description, I don't think it's something I could do.
Stop putting yourself down. Find out about the role and see if you can fit it to your requirements.
Minnie_the_Minx
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I have never heard of any department which calls EO grades O grades!
However, they do call them lots of other things...
They just open things that aren't envelopes
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
HMRC has, indeed, done this odd thing, although these map across to AA, AO, EO, HEO, SEO, for comparative purposes. Why on earth would they do that? Just to be different?
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
They just open things that aren't envelopes
What, like opening supermarkets?
And films?
And packets of biscuits?
I want that job!
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Ask them about the EO job, and find out if they're serious about you applying for it. As people have said, the actual jobs vary wildly from department to department. In all likelihood they want a glorified office manager - which you could probably do standing on your head. If they're keen to work you into the new structure, you'll probably find that you're in a position to write your own job description - to some extent anyway.
Stop putting yourself down. Find out about the role and see if you can fit it to your requirements.
Good advice.
Including the last paragraph!
Minnie_the_Minx
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Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
that's because you're too confiscating taking them off all the drug suppliers
I think you missed a word out there.
Too stoned?
Too criminal?
Too confused?
Too expensive?
Too cheap?
Minnie_the_Minx
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Good advice.
Including the last paragraph!
I've never managed before.
In fact, I shouldn't even be a secretary. I was just a typist before I got thrown in the deep end by my agency 10 years and told I was being put into a PS role. Luckily my sister was a PS so she told me how to arrange meetings etc.
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