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Civil Servants - how many days holiday do you get

_pH_ said:
i bet you could :)
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No, I don't do things like composing letters. I type them, NOT compose them :o


Preparing first drafts of factual briefs and other submissions for Ministers and senior management, replies and ministerial correspondence etc.


No fucking way :(


 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
No, I don't do things like composing letters. I type them, NOT compose them :o


Preparing first drafts of factual briefs and other submissions for Ministers and senior management, replies and ministerial correspondence etc.


No fucking way :(
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still think you could do it. go fer it!
 
Guineveretoo said:
EO is simply a grade in the civil service, not a job description. It can be lots of different jobs, depending on the department. It's not always called EO, even, although every department will have something at that level.

Before deciding whether or not to go for it, ask to see the job description, and the salary range, because these vary across departments, too. There might even be allowances attached to particular EO jobs, for different responsibilities.

I know that doesn't necessarily sound helpful, but there really is not a straightforward answer.

Bear in mind, also, though, that the civil service still has one of the best pension schemes going, and that many other of the terms and conditions are also pretty good compared to being at temp!

If you actually want any serious advice about the job, PM me, preferably with a link to a specific job description.
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Well the thing is, Attorney General's Office is one of the worst-paid departments. I think the salary would be in line with whatever Treasury Solicitor's department pay. We don't have an HR department. We use TSols.

The office itself doesn't even know how they're going to work the AOs. They mentioned that the EO would probably be responsible for the AOs, but as nobody really understands what the AOs are going to do (although it sounds like they're going to be secretaries but rebranded so they can pay them less), I'm not really sure.

They've told me I will be the last to go as I'm a "special case" due to length of time I've been there and because of b/f's circumstances and that's why they're offering me options to look at.
 
_pH_ said:
still think you could do it. go fer it!
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Not with that description, not if it's a busy or responsible job. I don't want that any more. I have enough on my plate so don't really want responsibility :o and as I've never written letters or submissions, it's not something I could do. (I left school with not too many qualifications) :o
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Not with that description, not if it's a busy or responsible job. I don't want that any more. I have enough on my plate so don't really want responsibility :o and as I've never written letters or submissions, it's not something I could do. (I left school with not too many qualifications) :o
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ah ok then. you do seem very eloquent on here, but fair enough.
 
_pH_ said:
ah ok then. you do seem very eloquent on here, but fair enough.
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I pretty much need a job where I don't have to think. I already do too much of that. My attention span is now that of a goldfish. That's why I'd rather be a secretary again doing mainly audio typing where I can just cut myself off from thinking :o
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
I pretty much need a job where I don't have to think. I already do too much of that. My attention span is now that of a goldfish. That's why I'd rather be a secretary again doing mainly audio typing where I can just cut myself off from thinking :o
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get a job involving toilets. or lawnmowers maybe.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
how to use lawnmowers in certain weather conditions, ie. strong winds, wet grass, cold grass, wrong type of grass etc.?
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if i ever meet you (which i hope i will at some point) then you're gonna be in as much trouble as that moomoo :mad:


i do know how to backlap a mower though
 
_pH_ said:
if i ever meet you (which i hope i will at some point) then you're gonna be in as much trouble as that moomoo :mad:


i do know how to backlap a mower though
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well you haven't denied writing lawnmower instruction manuals :(

I'm going to bed now to lay there and figure out what I've said wrong :(
































:p
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
when you first become a civil servant (excluding Bank Hols and Privilege Days)?

(trying to weigh up my options here as they're having another temp cull at my office)

Also, does anyone know exactly what an EO does?
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It can vary from Department to Department as it forms part of pay negotiations which are all negotiated seperately across departments now.

Where i am its 26 days in the first year and 31 days thereafter. Used to take you 10 years to get the 30, then 5 years, then 2 years, and now 1 year. Then we lost a privilege half day for maunday thursday in exchange for a full day off whenever.

As someone already mentioned that EO jobs vary. This is very true. In some departments EOs get paid more money for less responsability than EOs in other departments.

The pension for new starters isn't half as good as the old pension. The old one is one of the best, for thopse that still have it. Not the new one. Still better than no free pension at all.
 
I thought 25 days was the new national minimum holiday requirement, not 20?

Find out from work what the EO grade requires - they're the only ones who can tell you for sure. They probably wouldb't recommend you apply for it if they thought you couldn't do it. Though I sympathise with wanting a job that requires little thought; I've been considering looking into audio typing myself, because the two times I've done it I found it really easy and got great feedback.

Edit: I was almost right: it's 24 days now, and will be 25 days from April next year. That includes bank holidays, though, which is why you've been given the four bank holidays as 'extra' holiday entitlement now.

Holiday Entitlement

The statutory holiday entitlement has changed. The holiday entitlement has increased to 4.8 weeks (24 days if you work a five day week) from 1 October 2007 and to 5.6 weeks (28 days if you work a five day week) from 1 April 2009, pro-rata for those working part-time.
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http://www.berr.gov.uk/employment/whats-new/index.html
 
Civil servants mostly get 25 days PLUS bank holidays.

EO =Envelope Opener

HEO = Higher Envelope Opener


etc.

(I'm an SEO, swank, boast, load of bollocks)

Thatch destroyed the spinal point system whereby you could compare, broadly, jobs across the wildly diverse civil service and see reasonably fair pay rates.

Nowadays, you can have cut'n'paste job descriptions in, say Home Office and DWP and DEFRA where the starting pay in equivalent grade goes 36k, 28k, 18k. Which seems a little unfair to say the least.

Once you're in to the CS there's a very great deal to choose from and a lot of it is genuinely worth doing.

Until you become a manager, and then you can kiss your soul goodbye you evil bastard.
 
Like some-one else already posted - generally varies from dept. to dept. where I work we get 30 days plus bank / priv. days. Also, as has been mentioned there isn't a 'set' role for EOs or any other grade - it depends on the individual job but EO grade is a junior manager position. Pay also varies from dept. to dept.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Well the thing is, Attorney General's Office is one of the worst-paid departments. I think the salary would be in line with whatever Treasury Solicitor's department pay. We don't have an HR department. We use TSols.

The office itself doesn't even know how they're going to work the AOs. They mentioned that the EO would probably be responsible for the AOs, but as nobody really understands what the AOs are going to do (although it sounds like they're going to be secretaries but rebranded so they can pay them less), I'm not really sure.

They've told me I will be the last to go as I'm a "special case" due to length of time I've been there and because of b/f's circumstances and that's why they're offering me options to look at.
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I know a lot about the AG's office, its terms and conditions and pay arrangements, but it is difficult for me to respond on a public thread. If you genuinely want to take advantage of my knowledge, PM me, and I will explain some of the stuff to you, and we can discuss what you might be able to do.
 
scifisam said:
I thought 25 days was the new national minimum holiday requirement, not 20?

Find out from work what the EO grade requires - they're the only ones who can tell you for sure. They probably wouldb't recommend you apply for it if they thought you couldn't do it. Though I sympathise with wanting a job that requires little thought; I've been considering looking into audio typing myself, because the two times I've done it I found it really easy and got great feedback.

Edit: I was almost right: it's 24 days now, and will be 25 days from April next year. That includes bank holidays, though, which is why you've been given the four bank holidays as 'extra' holiday entitlement now.

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yeah, sorry, I did say earlier that it was 20 days plus 4 days BH eventually rising to 8.

My department doesn't seem too aware of what they're doing themselves. THey just know they can't afford temp secretaries so want perm AOs with one perm EO. The finance officer who spoke to me is new so doesn't really know what I've been doing for the last 4 years - which is not a lot :o
 
Guineveretoo said:
I know a lot about the AG's office, its terms and conditions and pay arrangements, but it is difficult for me to respond on a public thread. If you genuinely want to take advantage of my knowledge, PM me, and I will explain some of the stuff to you, and we can discuss what you might be able to do.
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My PM box is almost full. I'll send you my work email address if that's OK?
 
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