Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Apr 13, 2017.
Of course they did
That particular wave of cathartic outrage must have passed me by completely.
Ah, I see you're still sitting in that uncomfortable position of claiming to sympathise with the woman who voiced her concerns about the event taking place on her estate while doing your best to belittle anyone voicing concerns about the upcoming event.
And inbetween that you're trying to maintain a position of putting down people for making multiple contributions to this thread while you remain one of the thread's most prolific posters.
And don't think the attempt to deflect attention away from your inept arguments by dredging in the London marathon and now Pokemon Go is working either.
Congratulations, You've earned this:
I haven't claimed it to be unique, and you entirely miss my point. If you live on an estate - and this goes for most estates - having people charge through generally means one thing: Trouble. This is a product of the residualisation of social housing. If you concentrate people with the highest needs - the basis on which you're awarded social housing in the first place - on these little islands, then you encourage a particular form of territorialism. People want to feel safe in their own area, but it also, in such a concentrated environment, encourages a defensiveness, often against the police and other pieces of state apparatus, but also against "strangers", especially strangers who are out-of-place in our environment, whether they be "drug tourists" looking to score in edgy Brixton, or twats charging about our by-ways playing hide-and-seek.
What's also amazing is how this only works one way: These game-players, these flaneurs, can go through our territory, but if we try to transit theirs, we're "matter out of place", dirt to be washed away.
I'm perfectly happy for Pokemon fans to do their thing at the pokestop 25 metres from my back door, so your assumption of a "perfect correlation" is just so much hot air. Thing is, pokemon fans aren't charging around and playing hide-and-seek, they're just playing a fairly relaxed and quiet game with their phone and sometimes a group of similarly-occupied people.
Comparison fail, I do believe.
You seem so sure that these game players are some kind of alien. A composite of fox hunters, stockbrokers and angry, territorial Chelsea residents.
Flaneurs don't run.
You seem very sure they are not, nor the children of such...swings and roundabouts clearly!
Don't put words in my mouth or attempt to tell me what I'm thinking, there's a good chap.
...and for the record...had this shit arrived in my last long term home, a council estate in Hackney, I would have been the first to fuck them off.
If you don't understand why, there is nothing I can teach you. It's bad enough the local high streets and communal spaces are now becoming unaffordable for many of those that live in social housing...our stairwells and communal spaces do not belong to you because you paid £20. Even if you live on a council estate and pay £20 you don't and shouldn't be so smug to think it's cool to invade these spaces for shits and giggles.
Are the organisers talking to the council or HA's and asking for permission? Are those landlords in turn okaying this with residents?
So has anyone got any evidence that this event will be using council estates?
Given the bad publicity they got before, it looks pretty unlikely.
You called them flaneurs (whatever they might be). You identified them as other. Not ours. You said they didn't want you in their (wherever the fuck) neighbourhood. You have quite clearly characterised them. I keep wanting to walk away from this thread, but it's just too bonkers to not respond to some of this stuff.
Still trying to silence the "citizen smiths"?
Yes, I "other" them because they're other. I didn't, however, use "alien" or any of the other words in your original bleating post. These are people treating an area that isn't their home as a site of play. It's socially inappropriate. Your own prejudices - masked in liberalism - here are what keep pulling you back to the thread, plus the assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with you, is talking stuff that's bonkers.
They do if they're being chased by angry hordes of people who don't like being treated as spectacle!
That sounds dreadful!
I'm glad the neighbours I grew up around weren't so paranoid and the green in the middle of the estate I grew up in (and my mum still lives) is often used by 'outsiders' and has always got people around. Workers getting a few minutes sun on their lunch, people on their way to the clinic, people using the outdoor gym (often with trainers), cyclists making use of the car-free route that cuts through, it can get noisey when the kids from local nursury are running around the newly sited playground, or when there are a bunch of teenagers playing football or a party in the community hall runs late, last week (Palm Sunday) would have had a procession with a donkey! I much prefer that it has life, even if it can be an inconvenience and to be honest I doubt a few people running around on a clue hunt would raise an eyebrow. I'd say it's the extra foot traffic that makes it feel safe and drown out the troublemakers.
Edit to add - totally agree with your point regarding the residualisation of social housing (although ironically that is being countered with private owner/renters)
I'm sure people living on streets full of million pound houses would be even less inviting were this to be taking place on their manor.
I've just emailed them to ask.
They've replied. this is their email:
We only use public spaces for our games, unless we have been given permission to be in private spaces. We certainly wouldn't encourage players into private, communal areas like stairwells and council estates during our public games. Game play lasts 60 minutes and our stage managers and crew monitor behaviour throughout. If there are any particular areas that are of concern to residents, do let me know, as this will be useful information for us when managing the game zone.
Our aim with Citydash is to get people active, playing together outside, exploring public spaces. It is very much a community building game, and we really hope that local residents will want to take part too. We're always keen to do things like promote local businesses and local charities through our games, so as a local resident, if you know of any opportunities like this, let us know too.
If you have any other questions, do let us know."
it gets worse! Another email now:
Thanks for getting in touch! My name's Gwyn - I'm the founder.
Just to add to what Carrie's said, we won't be inside any estates or other private property, but I'd also be very happy to meet with anyone who's concerned. We want to be a positive experience for everyone, including non-players, so it's really important to hear from people living in the area.
If this sounds good, perhaps you could suggest a couple of times and I'll cycle down to Brixton for a cuppa? "
(If anyone here is interested in taking her up on the offer please do.. maybe pm me for her email?)
Christ. A cyclist as well. Worse than Hitler.
Countrysidedash is a bit less life affirming....
Bet Gwyn rides on the pavement....
of course they'd say that kind of stuff (guff)
if "Our aim with Citydash is to get people active, playing together outside, exploring public spaces. It is very much a community building game, and we really hope that local residents will want to take part too."
was true, they could do it for a lot less surely and actually be clear about the amazeaballs discount for residents.
£20 per hour to explore public spaces and community build??? really
no doubt some apologist will be along to say that's cheap
Would you like to meet her for a cuppa and tell her what you think ddraig?
Actually, less snarkily, maybe i should write back telling them that they need to make the residents discount clear if they mean it.
you think Gwyn is a her?
and no, what would be the point of that?
do you think £20 per hour is a good and realistic price for an hour of exploring public space and "community building"?
See my edit: I'll write back re the residents discount not appearing on their ticket buying bit.
I have no opinion on the £20 price tbh. This whole game doesn't interest me, I know nothing of such entertainments so have no comparables in mind.
You're right. Gwyn is a man. I mixed it up with Gwen.
refer to people as them/they/their and you won't have the problem
so you don't have an opinion on whether £20 might be a lot to prance about for an hour?
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