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CIRCA - crap/not crap?

CIRCA - crap/not crap?


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Herbert Read said:
Destruction and violence are not always negative and can be used as a positive force to create this peace and love you talk of! :D
Careful there Herbert - tiny hint of GWB creeping in there?

<runs away, very fast>

<thinks, fuck, what did I say that for?>

:o ... ;)
 
JonnyT said:
...And as for the police - clowning damages their credibility but doesn't hurt them physically, fighting leaves them with some "credibility" but allows for a physical confrontation. Depends which you place emphasis on really.
That's why I voted 'not crap'. Does anybody here want a police force with credibility intact and spoiling for a fight? Seems to me that making them look like clowns (sorry, CIRCA) and not even giving them any excuse to try out their luvverly new helmets and batons ( :mad: ) is a much better strategy. Their image suffered enough from their treatment of tough miners in the 80s - they'd look really smart if they started laying into someone for sticking flowers on them!

Or maybe that's the plan. CIRCA are suicide jokers, or humour martyrs or something, and their aim is to discredit the police by showing the public what a violent, repressive lot they are...
 
JonnyT said:
(anecdote)
One activist (I forget who at present) was, in the late nineties, was given a visit by special branch. Their advice to him? "Don't think you're a political threat, because you're not. You're a public order threat. That's all."
(/anecdote)
Because special branch are such a genuine, honest bunch, aren't they?
 
I was impressed with what I saw on tv, which wasn't much, but did anyone else see the footage of them all standing on one side and a load of communists (?or whatever) on the other side, and one clown said 'lets make friends with the communists' (or something), and the two sides all intermingled. It was a hilarious and beautiful moment.
(actually, I haven't descibed it terribly well, but it was inspiring.)
 
anyway, the clowns aren't as shit as i thought they were, they managed to confuse the filth so people could get on with important stuff.

that people didn't get on with as much important stuff as they might have is another story.
 
Pickman's model said:
ffs! :mad:

there is no group called black bloc! it is something which people do, rather than something which people are!

Thank god some one else knows a tactic is not a group or political ideology
 
Despite things i said before the g8, i've just voted 'not crap' after seeing them in action (for similar reasons to PM). They certainly weren't the sideshow i thought they would be - but ended up in the thick of it.

Still, i don't think i will be donniing the greasepaint myself..
 
Pickman's model said:
ffs! :mad:

there is no group called black bloc! it is something which people do, rather than something which people are!

...Yes, that's a good point, because a tactic can't be shit. :rolleyes:

I suppose I can't say "Pacifists are shit" or "Non-violence protest is crap" because there's no group called "The Pacifists" or "The Non-violents", then?
 
JonnyT said:
(anecdote)
One activist (I forget who at present) was, in the late nineties, was given a visit by special branch. Their advice to him? "Don't think you're a political threat, because you're not. You're a public order threat. That's all."
(/anecdote)

- Jonathan.

This seems very familiar, do we know the same people? Or maybe they use the same line? What makes it interesting is the absolute necessity in controlling public order situatins. Because when those situations reach a point when the police are unable to control them then it becomes political. The recognition that having a uniform or consent from the state doesn't make your power legitimate. Indeed that power has melts into air.
 
montevideo said:
even as a memebr of the amusing middle classes you life seems incredibly sheltered.

My life is sheltered because I don't think public order situations are inherently political? :confused:

Is there actually ANY logic behind that at all, or are you just hiding your lack of critique behind the ever handy "middle class" strategum?
 
knopf said:
Hmmm...... jack & monte. This is going to get nasty...... :p


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samba and the infernal noise brigade

i was also deepy impressed by the fantastic talents of infernal noise brigade, and felt like they showed up rhythms of resistance somewhat... but then i sat down and talked with them about how they do it. here is what i learned: they are a closed group, if and when they need to boost their numbers they hold musical auditions, usually having invited the applicants in, and they rehearse three times a week.
they are an entirely different thing to rhthms, the samba band some of you love to diss so much. rythms is open to anyone who turns up on the streets or at a (once weekly) practise meeting. people join who have never ever played any kind of music before, as well as very talented muso's sometimes. people come and go freely, meaning the actual folk performing under that name can vary entirely from one gig to the next.
what rhythms does is so much more than what you see on the streets, to really understand their contribution you'd have to talk to one of the many who personally and politically gained or is gaining so much from being part of this unique group, often going on to all sorts of wonderful projects from there.
altho i left the band months ago, i retain a lot of respect for their work at inclusiveness (and the fact that its so female dominated - a rare treat on the london scene!) and for keeping on doing it in the face of so much slagging. the homeless projects, the demos where only 5 sambaistas made it but still we doubled the crowd size for an unpopular cause, the funds raised for other groups and actions, the fucking hard work involved in keeping it going, and how they deal with the extra work involved in keeping such a concensus-led group open to newcomes in a genuine way. true tolerance of diversity, whether its language, mental health, being a parent, whatever barriers a person finds to joining other groups, they simply aint barriers to rythms.
infernal are great and i love them, other activist groups are also great, but rhythms is unique and so comparisons cannot work.
 
Herbert Read said:
better than samba, im sure in six years i wont like them either but for now pigbag is better than cumsack samba
You can't compare samba and the INB - as janis pointed out.
 
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