Chuka Umunna rules out serving in Corbyn's shadow cabinet

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Sep 12, 2015.

  1. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    How about the SDP? And those by-election victories in the early 1980s?
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  2. JuanTwoThree

    JuanTwoThree All Cretans are liars, Epiminides (Cretan)

    The thread title does seem to get truer. It is increasingly safe to say:

    Chuka Umunna rules out serving in Corbyn's shadow cabinet
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  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Looking forward to the next election when chuka will rule out a career in parliament
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  4. DJWrongspeed

    DJWrongspeed radio eros

    Indeed , what's he going to do. Doesn't sound like there's much love from the local party were he ever to return to Labour. Even if he stood as a LibDem he still wouldn't gain the votes in the Streatham constituency that is dominated by Labour.
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  5. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Oh Chuka is going to struggle if just because I doubt he has a local organisation of any sort and that takes ages to build. He would have to hope that both his name is enough and that Labour's brand become toxic (or more so, depending on POV) before next election.

    I think the Tories have a new candidate as I met their ex candidate in Battersea where she is now running. The Greens, well, I assume Bartley? The LDs have one in place.

    That being said, the area has flipped back and forth over the decades (so far as I can tell) and maybe Labour's run of success is peaking? If Streatham Labour are having these internal ructions and the Greens/LDs are bouncing about, then who knows what may happen if there are more by elections (in addition to Thorndon).
  6. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Looks like Chuka now has an official party designation
    Change UK - The Independent Group
    Part of the UK that this application applies to: All of Great Britain
    Proposed name: Change UK - The Independent Group
    Proposed descriptions: The Change UK candidate
    Proposed emblem:

    This was listed today on the Electoral Commission website as a "Notice received"

    I am not sufficiently an EC Anorak to say, but I assume there may be a period for objections (to the logo for example) after which they become fully official.

    Clearly not in time for the Thornton Lambeth council by-election, but even if a General election were called today looks like Chuka and Anna will be in a position to stand.
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  7. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    I would imagine Chuka would avoid doing anything in Thornton if just to not embarrass his former supporters in Labour
  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    there is only one tig
  9. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    They aren't splashing on hiring a graphic designer then. It's almost like they're doing this on the cheap :D
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  10. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Chuka leaves Change UK

    Personal Statement on my departure from Change UK | Chuka Umunna

    He is finished. Now saying he is staying as Independent MP in Streatham.

    I feel sorry for all the ordinary Labour party members who went out canvassing for him last General Election.

    I really hope next General Election he loses his seat.
  11. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    He has joined LDs. D8-Jw5_WwAAtDBf.jpeg
  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The LDs the party helped the Tories with austerity.
  13. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    I literally met someone in April in Streatham who's still angry at that fucking note from Labour's Treasury minister "there's no money left". We ended up talking about it for 20 minutes, which i'll not get back.
  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    From the politics boards:

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  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    So Chuka is joining the party who supported the Tory party in imposing "austerity" on this country.
  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    So what is the LDs politics now apart from being Remain party?
  17. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The only thing that comes to mind is LD saying they support Green Capitalism.
  18. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat That's Puddy Tat Esq to you

  19. souljacker

    souljacker Esquire

    Lol Chuka. What a dick.
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  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Have you actually read the Manchester Evening News article you posted there? - and more to the point have you appreciated that the ambience in Manchester and its satellite towns. Total Labour dominance for 40 years in the case of Bolton and more like 100 years in the case of the City of Manchester.

    If non Labour members were not allowed on Scrutiny Committees in Bolton, I'm not surprised that voters and councillors were pissed off with the Labour group.

    I find it bizarre if people on Urban 75 will support the People's Audit in Lambeth and yet oppose transparency in Bolton.

    Final point - in Lambeth there was joint three party control of Lambeth Council business from 1994-1998.
    One imagines this option would have been available in Bolton if Labour were minded to compromise.
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  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I take your point.

    On the politics boards someone posted that Chuka is more like the Orange book liberals who copied the "Third Way". So wondered how long it would be before Liberal Chuka pissed off grass roots/ pavement politics Liberals.

    Chuka is a posh boy who couldn't stand the influx of the unwashed into his local Labour party. He is prime example of posh boy establishment politics. Which of course is "diverse" as long as Class isn't mentioned.

    Despite his pronouncements that politics is broken he is part of the problem. Top down "centre" ground critique. What he wants is going back to the "centre" politics of New Labour/ Cameron Tories.

    Politics is broken. What Chuka doesn't get is that return to the "centre" ground isn't going to satisfy voters.

    Change UK failed not because of the ineptitude of Chuka etc but because voters aren't interested in so called centre ground.
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  22. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat That's Puddy Tat Esq to you

    I didn't think I came across on here as any sort of fan of new labour (I'm not a lambeth resident and not quite sure what this 'peoples audit' thing is, but if it's something the new labour / progress council are doing, i doubt i'd approve of that either)

    but I find it hard to excuse the limp dems from getting in to bed with the tories at a national level in 2010, and as for cosying up with new look UKIP, they can fuck right off.
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  23. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I did notice that in Bolton there are a lot of non party Cllrs in the area. Its not something one sees in London. The non party Cllrs are based in small villages. Must be well liked locals who stick up for residents on local issues.

    Could do with that in Lambeth.

    Ex Labour Rachel tried to do it ( and I helped on her attempt at re election as Independent). But failed in Coldharbour.

    Non party candidate doesnt work in Lambeth.
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  24. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat That's Puddy Tat Esq to you

    yes - and from what i gather, in this case concentrating very much on local issues and mainly in the smaller towns that ended up being lumped in with a larger town through local council reorganisations / mergers, and where (there is at least a perception that) the council is looking after its own town centre and neglecting the smaller places.

    have had a bit of it in berkshire - slough council had a few locally aligned independent groups not that long ago (think some started with councillors who for one reason or another had left labour) and there was a year or two (we get elections 3 years out of 4 here) when the council administration was a coalition of tories, lib-dems, liberals*, britwell independent, langley independent and possibly one or two independent independents.

    * - yes, the still extant party which a few people didn't leave to merge with the SDP. if you think i'm not very complimentary about the lib dems, you should see what they have to say about them...

    in theory, could possibly happen in london - there's at least a few councils where there's a feeling that council looks after one 'town centre' and neglects the rest, although not that many people still active who specifically think the 1965 london borough 'mergers' (e.g. lewisham absorbing deptford borough, greenwich absorbing woolwich borough and so on) were a big mistake... (having said that, there were some lewisham residents who didn't want to be associated with those common people from deptford)

    ETA - did happen in plumstead (greenwich borough) in 2018 - managed a respectable albeit distant second place
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  25. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Lambeth used to have a small group of LD Cllrs. They were very good. As Lambeth was run as a one party state by New Labour controlled Lambeth Labour party the LD Cllrs were democratic oppositon.

    The Lambeth New Labour administration was tightly controlled. Back bench Labour Cllrs couldn't express any opinions without passing them by the leadership first. Still happens now. I know from recent personal experience.

    So the LD Cllrs were important.

    Due to Clegg at national level the LDs were punished at Council level and all lost seats.

    Local politics in Lambeth is poisonous.

    Im not a great fan of the the Peoples Audit.

    Tories have cynically pursued " austerity" by cutting Council funds. So that the electorate blame Councils not the Tories.

    People's audit verges on being complicit in this.
  26. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat That's Puddy Tat Esq to you

    in part because too damn many new labour councillors (and i'll include london mayor khan in this) are just meekly implementing tory cuts.

    opinion is divided whether a policy of going for illegal budgets and whatever the current version of ratecapping is, and getting disqualified from office would be a good move, but they could at least make a bit more of a fuss about having to do it, and trying harder to let the public know what's going on.

    not sure if councillors can still get individually surcharged or whether this quietly got ditched after the district auditor went after a certain former westminster council leader - or get banged up for contempt, as labour councillors in poplar were prepared to do once
  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    This is precisely what ha a been happening in Brixton.

    Loughborough Junction is in the "Creative Enterprise Zone" and in the "Brixton Liveable neighborhood".

    LJ gets put in as bigger boundary means more likelihood of getting free money from Sadiq.

    So it can be spent by New Labour Hopkins and his chums in Brixton BID for further tarting up of gentrified Central Brixton.

    Loughborough Junction will just get the left overs.
  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    As I said to an officer recently all these initiatives like CEZ are all very well but one thing Council could do is stop selling of its assets.

    Council could make decision to retain ownership of land and property it has. Its no good getting this CEZ grant building up creative sector then selling off International House after five years. ( The present plan).

    Rather than go down the route of gradually selling off land and property the Council should keep ownership of land it owns. Not do deals with developers naively thinking this will produce good social outcomes. Developers will run rings around local authorities. As in Elephant and Castle. Its not hard line Marxist to say property developers are all about profit.

    Ideologically New Labour bought into Thacherite dogma that state ownership was bad. Councils should divest themselves of old fashioned local state ownership and become "enablers" instead was the ideological position they held and still do. Its still the ideological commonsense of Lambeth Regeneration dept.
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  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Well I want to know what Chuka thinks about property developers. If he (quite rightly) opposed increasing student fees and the imposition of the bedroom tax, then he ought to have an appreciation that current property development methods are destructive of the environment, the community and the economic situation of prospective tenants and owners.
  30. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    I suspect that Chuka will at least partially align with local Lib Dem stuff now (children's centres, scrutiny, policing) etc. I have always assumed that London Labour keep a tight reign on this stuff whilst they control the GLA
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