Louloubelle said:
and yet one you instigated.
Chronicles of Narnia - I really, really want to see this
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and yet one you instigated.
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Dubversion said:
And one which seems utterly ludicrous...
in the above extract it basically just says that he doesn't approve of the objectification of women as sex objects in porn and that he doesn't like it because of that. A less offensive view you could not find...
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Wrt Moorcock and porn - I think his stance comes from editing New Worlds Sci-fi magazine in an office where the neighbouring office was occupied by a porn mag. The neighbours used to show him some genuine reader's letters and they displayed a pretty disturbing level of misogyny.
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Idris2002 said:
Which is why I find it really odd that louloubelle (who last time I checked was a feminist) finds his views offensive. I mean personally I'm not disgusted by porn and, like all guys have a fair bit on my computer (if you know any guys who haven't they're lying) but his viewpoint is admirable and one which I'd probably share if i wasn't such a sociopathic loser...
Go for it! They're great! I always find that I want to read them if in a bad/sad/depressed mood - escape from the world, or something..marty21 said:
Luckily I am not often in a bad/mad/sad/depressed mood so can concentrate on reading stuff that I haven't already read seventeen and a half times already.
Harry Potter and Narnia are for adults and children.
<nods decisively>
Now will they write off my student loan?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Vixen said:
What the hell does that mean?
resists... urge... to... post... many, many, many reggae album sleeves...Dubversion said:
oh, ok, just one:
not quite getting the dub/loulou spat here tho...got to say i think my views on porn are fairly similar to moorcock's (however, visual erotica in any form just doesn't interest me at all, so maybe i'm just not a real bloke
)on the other hand, the only book i ever read by moorcock was a pile of garbled plotless shite, and i promptly forgot everything about it (including the title) as soon as i finished it (i *think* it was about gamblers in some sort of alternate-universe america, but it made so little sense that even that could have been an entirely unfounded assumption), so i'm not inclined to take him very seriously about the quality of other people's fantasy writing... on the other hand, the narnia books were the first "proper" (non-picture-book) books i ever read, and were probably foundation to fucking loads of my more or less esoteric and conceptual interests... i've always wondered if they were big in jamaica actually, what with the similarity in use of biblical imagery with so much afrocentric/rastafari lyrical stuff...
i entertained the idea of making up a compilation as a sort of soundtrack to the narnia books once when i was bored and decided to smoke some weed and read them while listening to burning spear... i think it had spear's "lion" (natch), yami bolo's "weep not" and the congos' "the wrong thing" on it, but i can't remember what else...
anyway, tho i had criticisms of the lotr films, i liked them enough to probably watch this one... tho i can't imagine them doing many of the sequels tbh (actually "the magician's nephew" is probably one of the more filmable... but "the horse and his boy"? "the last battle"? i think not...)
also, re some earlier comments on tolkien and lewis, they were very close friends and strongly influenced each other, and much of both their fictional work arose from discussions they had with each other... for instance, afaik lewis's mars trilogy came about as a response to lotr thru lewis wanting to write something that similarly combined classical greek/norse and christian mythology, but set in an imagined future as opposed to an imagined past... thus all their stuff can be viewed as sort of happening in the same mythological "multiverse" (to borrow a term from the comics milieu dominated mainly by alan moore and grant morrison... i could go on about "intertextuality" as well...), which is basically a christian one, but one containing at least some apocryphal stuff derived from paganism/classical polytheism...
aslan is clearly jesus, but afaik lewis wrote elsewhere ("mere christianity"? yeah, i used to be a xtian...) about the many other resurrected gods or "corn-kings" being "echoes" or "foreshadowings" of the "real" (to him, obviously) christ... also, many of the other "pagan" figures are intended to correspond to (judaeo-)xtian angels...
(i possibly know too much about this stuff..
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aslan is clearly jesus, but afaik lewis wrote elsewhere ("mere christianity"? yeah, i used to be a xtian...) about the many other resurrected gods or "corn-kings" being "echoes" or "foreshadowings" of the "real" (to him, obviously) christ... also, many of the other "pagan" figures are intended to correspond to (judaeo-)xtian angels...
(i possibly know too much about this stuff..
)
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
I remeber figuring out all the christian stuff when we read this at school. My First Allegory - I picked it up in one place and it expanded and expanded. I felt exhilarated by the discovery - but it kind of killed my interest in the books, cos christianity meant the stuff they wittered on about at brownies, and i hated that too. I was really dissapointed at the end of TLTWATW when Susan (my fave character) was all glam and grown up and then she had to come back and be a child again. I wanted the book to end with them adults in narnia.
So when I read what Pulman said about sexual coming of age being a good thing in kids books, that kind of struck a chord.
FWIW i'm not too fussed either way about the film. I don't like talking animals. And I don't like LOTR or those films either.
That said i'd like to see the His dark Materials books filmed. There's some bloody great ideas and fantasy for kids.
So when I read what Pulman said about sexual coming of age being a good thing in kids books, that kind of struck a chord.
FWIW i'm not too fussed either way about the film. I don't like talking animals. And I don't like LOTR or those films either.
That said i'd like to see the His dark Materials books filmed. There's some bloody great ideas and fantasy for kids.
silentNate
1.618 xakep
See the film, the books are excellent, for a child, but it would appear they fall down badly under an adults eyemarty21 said:
MarkMark said:
Nah, TMN isn't that great an introduction to the series. It's more a 'prequel'.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I think I must be the only person on thsi thread that actually likes Moorcock (or at least some of it)
Oh and he's definatley right about Peake and T.H.White both fantastic writers.
Oh and he's definatley right about Peake and T.H.White both fantastic writers.
i can't *wait* till friday!
can'twaitcan'twaitcan'twaitcan'twait.
just saw another clip on the news: from what i have seen thus far it appears to capture my imagination really well. i haven't been back to narnia for ages and really hope it's as superb as my imagination.
yay. etc.
can'twaitcan'twaitcan'twaitcan'twait.
just saw another clip on the news: from what i have seen thus far it appears to capture my imagination really well. i haven't been back to narnia for ages and really hope it's as superb as my imagination.
yay. etc.
ginger_syn
Her Insanity laughs under pressure...👾
I,m looking forward to seeing this film.The Narnia books were my first literary love and also the reason why Iopen as many wooden wardrobe doors as I can though thanks to the efforts of m.f.i. they are a rare thing now.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Well i saw it tonight and really enjoyed it,
tilda swinton made me feel kinda funny is it bad to lust after the witch?
great battle sequences, not having read the books didn't spoil it, I might have a go at reading them now. mrs21 just bought the collection for a few quid, we're off on holiday for a week in january, to a cottage with no tv, so could be just the time to read them
tilda swinton made me feel kinda funny is it bad to lust after the witch?
great battle sequences, not having read the books didn't spoil it, I might have a go at reading them now. mrs21 just bought the collection for a few quid, we're off on holiday for a week in january, to a cottage with no tv, so could be just the time to read them
silentNate
1.618 xakep
Did anyone sit through the credits- I only discovered there was a bit after they had finished
Midly amusing but no great film I'm afraid
Midly amusing but no great film I'm afraid
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
RenegadeDog said:That's good. He looked like utter piss in the old BBC version. Even as a 13 year old that didn't impress me one bit. Damn cheap BBC budgets!
I was watching this yesterday, the crappy special effects are part of the charm! I like the way it's not slick and over produced.
Don't know if I can handle sitting through a 2 1/2 hour childrens film either. I think I'll stick to laughing at the BBC version.
