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Christianity, Judaism, Islam: And the message is?

Why is your experience of Muslims so negative, I wonder? Perhaps you should hang around them a bit more, get to see that they're really just people like any other with all the good and bad that entails.

Also, this country hasn't been at peace for that long. In fact, we're at war at the moment. At war in other countries, yes, but at war nonetheless. I can promise you that what we're doing to Muslims in their countries is much much worse than what they're doing to you.

Or would you disagree with that?

Yes, I would disagree with that. Sorry.

Firstly: I have been to about 20 Moslem countries, half of which are Arab. In addition to that I was living amongst them (until last year) in a predominately Arab/Somali quartre of my home town. You cannot say I know nothing of what I’m talking about. Furthermore, I have no particular grudge with "Islam" but I'm not very keen on the majority of Arabs and Somalis who are systematically tearing down my country and its' democratic values.

Secondly: I’m speaking about the immigration problem in my country, not yours. My country hasn’t been at war since Napoleon, by the way. And ….. we’re doing nothing “to Muslims in their countries” because we’re not involved in that post-colonial mess. Our invlovement has been strickly a humanitarian one.
 
Can I hazard a guess that you are from Portugal?
Yes, you may. However, if you consider that Portugal has had it's own post-colonial difficulties/wars then it would hardly be a very good "guess". Sorry. :)

The last time we fought was against Napoleon and we haven't taken up arms since then. It's back to Google for you. Don't worry, you'll get it right eventually. ;)
 
Yes, you may. However, if you consider that Portugal has had it's own post-colonial difficulties/wars then it would hardly be a very good "guess". Sorry. :)

The last time we fought was against Napoleon and we haven't taken up arms since then. It's back to Google for you. Don't worry, you'll get it right eventually. ;)

It was picked up from other things you had said, elsewhere.

Only a guess. I couldn't really care less where you are from, or about your mad opinions, or anything. I won't be googling.

:)
 
I too have a PC, screen, keyboard, I can type (and I’ve even learned the Sacred English, as a second language). But none of it proves my civil manner or my abilities (and willingness) to conduct myself in any host country, in a way that would not displease or offend “the locals”.

I invite you to come and tell this to every Westerner in Muslim lands, who believes that because at home he runs around drugged and drunk, he has the given right to expect he can do that anywhere, no matter local customs and local laws. And is outraged to the core if that doesn't seem to be the case.

“Exceptions to rules” exist, thank God for that! But when the exception (of a large mass) is the “pleasing”, non-“offensive” then one must endure the understandable prejudices that follow.

The core problem of your approach is that for you the rule is the exception, and that is why your behaviour is called "prejudiced" (to say it mildly).

“X go home!” Should always be understood not to include the “exceptionate” one, it’s true, but “X” really ought to go home. Preferably soon, please.

X go home I said as a kid when playmates bothered me. Until I was told that this is not the way to get to know and understand. So I learned to listen and observe in order to understand why they were as they were and why they bothered me. The result was that they didn't bother me any longer and I think I didn't bother them any longer either.
Why such a simple skill is unknown to you is anyone's guess.

I take my right to a “breath for staying alive” for granted and I extend my hand of invitation (to my country) to anyone having difficulties acquiring that “breath” wherever they might be. But if their presence here obstinately strangles my indigenous, cultural expression of life then I would much rather send them back to struggle for that breath (in their own country) in the very same way that the colonialists were expected to vacate their “possessions” abroad and the Americans in Iraq, etc. ought to return to the U.S.

For me the air is God's gift to everyone to breath, countries are nothing but legal entities and the only thing that should not happen is invade other's space by force.
But speaking of "being strangled in indigenous, cultural expression", I wonder if you have an idea how that lands if it comes not from individuals (and I wonder how individuals can do this to you) but in tsunami waves carried by Imperialism and Capitalism combined. Maybe you could read a bit of this (and this is a long time since I linked to that little article of mine)
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152746

My previous message on ”education” had nothing to do with intelligence or owning a PC. Education of tolerance and respect should be encouraged by schools wherever they may be. We Europeans are not “dirty, fornecating, non-believers”, as is the general belief by many in certain parts of the world. Fornecating or not, my country has experienced peace for a couple of hundred years and anyone seeking refuge here ought to show the respect we deserve. Otherwise they can return to their bullet-dodging, “clean, sexual- abstinent, devout” origins.

My idea on this is that education should be given at home, first of all.
As for your assertions about "how Europeans are viewed". Maybe ask the Pope what he thinks about it?

Are we on the same page?

I'm afraid that here and there the water is still very deep. I can swim. Can you?

salaam.
 
Yes, I would disagree with that. Sorry.

Firstly: I have been to about 20 Moslem countries, half of which are Arab. In addition to that I was living amongst them (until last year) in a predominately Arab/Somali quartre of my home town. You cannot say I know nothing of what I’m talking about. Furthermore, I have no particular grudge with "Islam" but I'm not very keen on the majority of Arabs and Somalis who are systematically tearing down my country and its' democratic values.

I have been in many non Arab countries and I am even European from mother's side, still I have no clue why you think that because you have been to a few countries, you think you "know" the people(s) there.
I also don't see what a certain group of people in a neighbourhood where you happened to live too, have to do with anything you said about "democratic values". Are you referring to elected politicians of that background? If yes, then surely they are not "immigrants" but born in the country and citizens thereof.

Secondly: I’m speaking about the immigration problem in my country, not yours. My country hasn’t been at war since Napoleon, by the way. And ….. we’re doing nothing “to Muslims in their countries” because we’re not involved in that post-colonial mess. Our invlovement has been strickly a humanitarian one.

So thank God for it, instead of bragging about it as if it is something of your doing.

salaam.
 
Anyone got the skills to turn this into a fight scene out of Asterix's village?
Maybe that'd help?
 
I thought (by reading one of your rather eloquent replies) that you were capable of an intelligent discussion, Aldebaran. It seems now (from my point of view) that you are not.

I can assume that you intentionally ignore my open earnestness but exaggerate what you so tenaciously prefer to percieve as something else.

You are responding in a manner that you critize in others and you think by pointing out the disfavourable character in “y” (which I neither represent, resemble nor support) that it will excuse the conduct of “x”.

What is unworthy an honest discussion is that where I abhore such conduct - whether it be “x” or “y” - you appear to condone it only where it suits you.
 
Haha. I read in this you find yourself defeated by a simple logic I applied to strip your prejudice naked.
You can always do it over again, but from a normalized point of view. I don't see why that would not be possible.
There is only one quesiton you need to ask yourself to get your cloths back on: Why do I react like I do on a situation I can't describe but coming from a sheer prejudiced angle.
For knowing the answer to that you only need to take a step back and create the distance of emotionless thought between yourself and the subject.

salaam.
 
I thought (by reading one of your rather eloquent replies) that you were capable of an intelligent discussion, Aldebaran.
Goddam it, I thought you were referring to me, since this comes right after my post. :mad:

I can assume that you intentionally ignore my open earnestness
Sounds sexy! How could he?!
but exaggerate what you so tenaciously prefer to percieve as something else.
Watch that blood pressure old man... You are an old codger aren't you?

(which I neither represent, resemble nor support)
Very comprehensive m8, but if not, then what?

I abhore such conduct
So?
you appear to condone...
Are you sure this doesn't make you appear to be a bit of a dick? Sorry to mention it but I thought someone should mention it... Oops :rolleyes: silly me.
 
Why do I react like I do on a situation ..... For knowing the answer to that you only need to take a step back ...

salaam.
Yes, that's true. I need only take a step back to look at your response to "experience":

Another member suggested that I might only need more experience in order to change my view to a more positive one. You made no critizism of that theory.

I replied (directly to him - not to you) that I actually have a lot of experience on the subject and it is based upon my experience that I have formed my opinion. You didn't like that and so you said that my experience means nothing.

The upshot is, any theory that supports your view is a sound one, but if that same theory does not support your view then such a theory proves nothing.

If you can say that personal experience means nothing then I must say that I find you rather dishonest and so you needn't waste any more of my time.

balony.
 
Yes, that's true. I need only take a step back to look at your response to "experience":

Another member suggested that I might only need more experience in order to change my view to a more positive one. You made no critizism of that theory.

I replied (directly to him - not to you) that I actually have a lot of experience on the subject and it is based upon my experience that I have formed my opinion. You didn't like that and so you said that my experience means nothing.

The upshot is, any theory that supports your view is a sound one, but if that same theory does not support your view then such a theory proves nothing.

If you can say that personal experience means nothing then I must say that I find you rather dishonest and so you needn't waste any more of my time.

balony.

You are wrong on several points from the onset.

1) What is posted to you by an other poster is yours to reply, if you would want to.
2) Since this is however a discussion board, everyone can take it from there and add something to what is said, or propose an other point of view
3) My comment stands. It is my view stemming from experience.
4) Your comments in general about the issues you put forward underscore 3)
5) That has nothing to do with being sound or unsound, but with logic
6) I never said personal experience means nothing, or I would not be able to talk about my own (logic, again, and simple).
7) If you have experience coming from a prejudiced or ignorant approach, you distort the outcome on forehand.
8) You can think about me whatever you like.
9) I shall write here when I want for as long as the owner of this board agrees. Unless you are the owner, you have no statements to make about this.

salaam.
 
If we look at what is presented to us, in time and space, we find messages that speak to us. They aren’t necessarily the messages intended – and there is great diversity within them - but these messages are what we perceive them to be by way of experience, rumour and glaring example.

With regards to the religions I see them this way:
1). Christianity – HOPE, through the deeds of charity and understanding
2). Judaism – FORTITUDE, through the experience of anguish and persecution
3). Islam – CHAOS, through the nurturing of hate and ignorance

You don't agree? That's fine because there's no right or wrong to it. There're merely suggestions gleaned from the goings on of today.

You're a cock. What's this doing in the TPH forum anyway? Where's the theory or the philosophy? As for history, that left town when you showed up.
 
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