Christian Twats!

[Kizmet]

I am.

Does that mean you don't think women should have the right to have an abortion or that you would support that right.. but try and convince them not to?

 

[untethered]

Does that mean you don't think women should have the right to have an abortion or that you would support that right.. but try and convince them not to?

The only situation in which I think abortion should possibly be legal is where the life of the mother is threatened. That's a "hard case" that I still haven't made up my mind about. Of course, it would be possible to reform the law to exclude that case.

 

[Edie]

The only situation in which I think abortion should possibly be legal is where the life of the mother is threatened. That's a "hard case" that I still haven't made up my mind about. Of course, it would be possible to reform the law to exclude that case.

I'm guessing you're not a woman then.

 

[Kizmet]

What do you mean by 'life of the mother' being threatened?

What counts as a threat?

 

[untethered]

I'm guessing you're not a woman then.

Are there no women pro-lifers, then?

 

[untethered]

What do you mean by 'life of the mother' being threatened?

What counts as a threat?

Where the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to cause the death of the mother. We've had debates on here about whether this should include risks to the mother's mental health as well as her physical health. As I said, I'm still undecided on the whole principle.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Don't feed the Untethered Troll

 

[Kizmet]

Where the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to cause the death of the mother. We've had debates on here about whether this should include risks to the mother's mental health as well as her physical health. As I said, I'm still undecided on the whole principle.

To be fair it's best then if you decide before you come out with a half-formed opinion.

I'm seeing a massive gap in your reasoning... and that's probably why you can't decide.

 

[tarannau]

I agree. However, you'll find a fair few people on this thread that would support similar tactics to harass pro-lifers or even just "Christians".



No. Perhaps you could point out where I have.

So how does that square with you calling CM "religious' in his beliefs then?

Really, do you actually think about what you write, or are the words automatically generated by a stupid generator?

I've still a soft spot for you. With your beliefs that Britain could turn back the clock and become effectively self sufficient again, producing high quality cars and electronic goods, just like they did in the 70s. Or that us colonials so in some way be grateful for Britain civilising and exploiting their countries of natural resources, not at all leaving politically unstable regimes doomed to collapse after years of divide and conquer tactics. Soft spot in the sense that I find your views so ludicrous and removed from reality that it's difficult not to find you a laughable figure of fun on the wind up.

Sadly I actually think that you mean to be taken seriously, rather than a foolishly irrrelevant and misguided Alf Garnett type of character.

 

[untethered]

To be fair it's best then if you decide before you come out with a half-formed opinion.

I'm seeing a massive gap in your reasoning... and that's probably why you can't decide.

I've decided on one issue and not on another. That's not a half-formed opinion, any more than believing that any other restriction on abortion should be permissible, as it is in this country.

 

[kyser_soze]

would help people come to a decision that is maybe right for the most people.

WTF does this mean? The only person it really has to be 'right' for is the mother since she'll carry the kid and most likely will spend most time and effort in it's upbringing.

 

[untethered]

So how does that square with you calling CM "religious' in his beliefs then?

I was referring to CM's intolerance of other points of view here, not his support (or otherwise) of harassment of people who express that view in certain ways elsewhere.

I've still a soft spot for you. With your beliefs that Britain could turn back the clock and become effectively self sufficient again, producing high quality cars and electronic goods, just like they did in the 70s. Or that us colonials so in some way be grateful for Britain civilising and exploiting their countries of natural resources, not at all leaving politically unstable regimes doomed to collapse after years of divide and conquer tactics. Soft spot in the sense that I find your views so ludicrous and removed from reality that it's difficult not to find you a laughable figure of fun on the wind up.

I've never suggested that it would be either possible or desirable to turn back the clock. I've just articulated a vision of a future Britain that I think would be both desirable and preferable to our current path.

 

[untethered]

WTF does this mean? The only person it really has to be 'right' for is the mother since she'll carry the kid and most likely will spend most time and effort in it's upbringing.

There's no such thing as society, is there, Mr Soze?

 

[Kizmet]

WTF does this mean? The only person it really has to be 'right' for is the mother since she'll carry the kid and most likely will spend most time and effort in it's upbringing.

Agreed. Which is why I said that ultimately it will be her decision.

But the issue of abortion is often shrouded in secrecy and lies. Parents aren't told.. the father is sometimes not told.

Socially i think this is unhelpful... they may be able to offer help/support that the mother doesn't expect. And that may make a difference.

Equally 'forced' abortions where the father acts like a cunt and leaves the woman feeling like she has little option but to abort could also be avoided.

 

[Kizmet]

I've decided on one issue and not on another. That's not a half-formed opinion

Both issues are very much part of the same problem.

If you're going to tell people what to do.. you have to know what to do yourself.. and you haven't decided.. so, at the moment, your ideas are half baked.

 

[sleaterkinney]

You are devoted to an inflexible belief system though, and intolerant of opposing views. That is commonly referred to as being religious, outside the context of organised religions, theism, etc.

No, it isn't.

I'm sorry your vocabulary isn't that diverse.

Patronising won't cover up your mistake.

 

[untethered]

Both issues are very much part of the same problem.

If you're going to tell people what to do.. you have to know what to do yourself.. and you haven't decided.. so, at the moment, your ideas are half baked.

I think I've been quite clear.

According to my current thinking, we should prohibit abortion except in cases where there is a threat to the life of the mother.

What part of that is "half-baked"? There are numerous restrictions and qualifications on the current "right" to an abortion and this is no different.

Are you looking for "abortion always totally permissible / abortion always totally prohibited"?

 

[Kizmet]

No, it isn't.

Actually, you can say that someone believes in something religiously...

 

[untethered]

No, it isn't.

Just because you haven't come across something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[sleaterkinney]

There's no such thing as society, is there, Mr Soze?

Which would be helped by forcing women to go through with unwanted pregnancies?. I think not.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Just because you haven't come across something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Just because you can invent something out of thin air doesn't mean that the meaning of a word changes.

 

[Kizmet]

I think I've been quite clear.

According to my current thinking, we should prohibit abortion except in cases where there is a threat to the life of the mother.

What part of that is "half-baked"? There are numerous restrictions and qualifications on the current "right" to an abortion and this is no different.

Are you looking for "abortion always totally permissible / abortion always totally prohibited"?

You can't define what you beleive is an appropriate 'threat'.

What I am looking for, from you, is a statement that makes it clear in which cases abortion would be legal.. and which not.

If you can't make this statement or need more data to make the statement.. then say so.

 

[untethered]

Just because you can invent something out of thin air doesn't mean that the meaning of a word changes.

Oh gosh, all those times I've read other people's writings and heard people speak that word in that context must have been figments of my imagination, then.

 

[untethered]

You can't define what you beleive is an appropriate 'threat'.

What I am looking for, from you, is a statement that makes it clear in which cases abortion would be legal.. and which not.

If you can't make this statement or need more data to make the statement.. then say so.

I think I'm entitled to expound the broad principle without drafting a watertight law to that effect. I'm not a doctor, so I couldn't define in precise terms what might constitute a threat to someone's life. I don't see how that undermines the general premise of what I say.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Oh gosh, all those times I've read other people's writings and heard people speak that word in that context must have been figments of my imagination, then.

I wouldn't be surprised, you seem to have an over-active one.

 

[Kizmet]

I think I'm entitled to expound the broad principle without drafting a watertight law to that effect. I'm not a doctor, so I couldn't define in precise terms what might constitute a threat to someone's life. I don't see how that undermines the general premise of what I say.

The broad principle you are drawing requires a defintion of what can be considered a threat.. otherwise the principle has no meaning.

 

[equationgirl]

Untethered, whilst I respect your right to your own opinions, including those expressed on here about abortion, I think it is easy for you to have an opinion on something which will not ever affect you in the same way that it will affect a woman.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You'll understand if I decline to perform the act you describe, I'm sure.

Of course.

It was insensitive of keyboardjockey not to realise you'd much prefer to be the suckee rather than the sucker.

 

[Kizmet]

Actually, you can say that someone believes in something religiously...

^

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I'm going to ignore the troll for the moment and agree with the poster who mentioned forced abortions where women are pressurised by twat boyfriends to have abortions to the detriment fo the mother. I've seen some really shite blokes do this over th eyears mostly on thelines of 'have the abortion or I won't love you anymore'

As someone who cannot have children becasue of medical reasons (will expand later) I weep over the lost babies that I can't have and the fact that some women abort babies while others cannot have them. It is for th is reason that the Adoption idea seems fabulous at first but is so full of holes because you still have a woman carrying a baby which she doesn't want and cannot care for this is a situation that I find intolerable and unworkable for the majority of cases.

However, I'm a passionate supporter of the right of abortion on demand by women as it is the least worst option.

I think the anti abortion nutters really need to shut up and get lives rather than moralising to those who disagree with them.