sleaterkinney
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I reckon they should bring Phil Tufnell back in for a bit of spin.
Chris Tremlett OR Andy Caddick? - The Poll!
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DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
sleaterkinney said:
He had one of the best attitudes I've seen on a cricket pitch. Top bloke.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
That's a joke too, surely? One of the worst fielders in recent years.DoUsAFavour said:
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
JTG said:
er 99 on his test debut AND he is a bowler. Yep shite as they come.
Bollocks.
Tudor looked as if he was gonna be awesome before he got that injuryin his late teens. Seriously fast. Instead he was just well fast which was easily good enough for England at the time, and he could bat.
And what's wrong with a Surrey bias, after all, we produce the best cricketers.
Top block that Tudor.
Tudor looked as if he was gonna be awesome before he got that injuryin his late teens. Seriously fast. Instead he was just well fast which was easily good enough for England at the time, and he could bat.
And what's wrong with a Surrey bias, after all, we produce the best cricketers.
Top block that Tudor.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Leon said:
Fuck off
Like who? Atherton and Flintoff have had more impact on the England team than any suurey player in the last 15 years. Disprove that. Find me a player with more worth than Freddy and a more important player than Athers....* and where is our current captain from?
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Graham Thorpe did OK.tangerinedream said:Fuck off
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Donna Ferentes said:
Yes he weren't bad but did he play through agonising pain and open the innings time after time after time? Or was he a vaguely good middle order batsman ala Robin Smith? was he as important as either of them two? The selectors son wasn't bad either but that's not the point. Surrey produce the best players - fuck off. Ian Salisbury, what a hero
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Thorpe, to my mind, contributed more than Atherton.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Donna Ferentes said:
how?
Did he ever captain the side? Did atherton ever shirk a tour? Did Thorpe ever face the same kind of pressure? You can't just compare averages.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Atherton was a lousy captain. Thorpe had the best technique of any England batsman of his generation.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Donna Ferentes said:
Atherton was hamstrung by Illingworth and a general lack of planning. Atherton played the greatest innings of any England batsman of his generation and played through hell physically. Thorpe missed tours and retired in a paddy. Nuff said.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Anyways Donna Ferentes - They were both fine players - I personally think by having this argument, we're overlooking Neil Mallender's chances for the next test.
It's good to see that now the Surrey blinkers have been taken off the selectors and for the first time in years we have no brown hatters in the team, we also have the best England side in years.
Sorry but Tudor was useless. Speed isn't everything, you also need to be able to think and he never did that. As for the 99, I say again - big deal. He went in as night watchman and slogged against a dismal showing from the Kiwi bowlers.
There was a strong current of opinion in county cricket followers that he couldn't bowl and these are the people who actually watch the players perform rather than acquire their views from a minority of cricket correspondants viewing the game through spectacles adorned with the Prince of Wales Feathers. Race/class prejudice, what a fucking ridiculous statement.
Sorry but Tudor was useless. Speed isn't everything, you also need to be able to think and he never did that. As for the 99, I say again - big deal. He went in as night watchman and slogged against a dismal showing from the Kiwi bowlers.
There was a strong current of opinion in county cricket followers that he couldn't bowl and these are the people who actually watch the players perform rather than acquire their views from a minority of cricket correspondants viewing the game through spectacles adorned with the Prince of Wales Feathers. Race/class prejudice, what a fucking ridiculous statement.
Donna Ferentes said:
Agree with this. As for shirking England tours, I personally think Thorpe had every good reason to not tour when his personal life was such a shambles. What on earth could he have usefully contributed to the side when mentally he was in pieces?
Atherton could have made a decent skipper had he been given the job later and in different circumstances. As it is, I don't think much of his qualities in that department save for the leading by example bit. He still talks utter tripe now, especially about the counties, never misses a chance to slag of the system that made him - even now when the England side are so much better than in his day.
Never showed much commitment to Lancashire imho, I remember a NatWest semi final at Bristol when he used the Lancs innings as batting practice for the next Test. If I'd been a Lancs supporter that day I'd have been incensed - we were disappointed to get him out, Lancs actually had a chance of a decent score once that happened.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
He has said he regrets his treatment of lancs in terms of his loyalty. Remember though, this bloke was England Captain and expected to play every single county game he could. Unlike the last two incumbents.
Inheriting an England side at a very, very low ebb, putting upp with endless interference from his coach and the selectors, no central contracts. You can't compare Athers with Vaughny or Nass - the circumstance of the job aren't just diffeent, they are a world away.
I personally think he was captain of lousy England set up, rather than a lousy captain and that he went on too long - way beyond the point he actually wanted to do the job.
Inheriting an England side at a very, very low ebb, putting upp with endless interference from his coach and the selectors, no central contracts. You can't compare Athers with Vaughny or Nass - the circumstance of the job aren't just diffeent, they are a world away.
I personally think he was captain of lousy England set up, rather than a lousy captain and that he went on too long - way beyond the point he actually wanted to do the job.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
I think there was just a lack of foresight from selectors. It's only really the last 2-4 years we've realied you need a specialist one-day squad.
How Dermot Reeve didn't captain the England ODI's i'll never know...oh that's right he played for an unfashionable team that swept the floor with everyone Same deal with Allleyne.
Yours
An angry Bears fan
How Dermot Reeve didn't captain the England ODI's i'll never know...oh that's right he played for an unfashionable team that swept the floor with everyone
Same deal with Allleyne.Yours
An angry Bears fan
Sorry but Tudor had great potential, which was never fulfilled. To say he was crap is a bit unfair - I know he didn't turn out to be Test class but he should have been.
He had all round talent and could have given England something they didn't have at the time - express pace.
As for Surrey, the team doesn't have the stars that it had in the 90s and can't compete with Flintoff at the moment but I'd argue in the Atherton years Alec Stewart was much more important to the team.
He held the team together as a world class wicket keeper-batsman. Athers for me was a very conservative and boring captain and a one-dimensional batsman. A very good Test player, but not a great. Alec was a very good Test player, and a very good wicket keeper as well.
And we had Thorpey too - the best English batsman of his era. Over the years Surrey has churned out the talent, as Lancs have too.
But you are wrong about Ian Salisbury - we didn't produce him at all. Don't know where you got that from. He came to the county when his England career was effectively over to try and revive it.
He had all round talent and could have given England something they didn't have at the time - express pace.
As for Surrey, the team doesn't have the stars that it had in the 90s and can't compete with Flintoff at the moment but I'd argue in the Atherton years Alec Stewart was much more important to the team.
He held the team together as a world class wicket keeper-batsman. Athers for me was a very conservative and boring captain and a one-dimensional batsman. A very good Test player, but not a great. Alec was a very good Test player, and a very good wicket keeper as well.
And we had Thorpey too - the best English batsman of his era. Over the years Surrey has churned out the talent, as Lancs have too.
But you are wrong about Ian Salisbury - we didn't produce him at all. Don't know where you got that from. He came to the county when his England career was effectively over to try and revive it.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
JTG said:
LOL! Have you ever been to Lords!?
Tell me this...
Who was the last black captain of England?
Who was the last working class captain?
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
tangerinedream said:Fuck off
* and where is our current captain from?
Butcher
Thorpe
Stewart
waterloowelshy
Well-Known Member
You are all way off anyway with this thread!
Tremlett bowled like a donkey in the C & G cup final on Saturday - I can hardly have imagined the Aussies being bothered watching that perfomrance - mediocre and mundane would be being kind to describe his bowling.
And as for Caddick he is so far out of the frame its untrue! He is ancient and England wont go back these days and he is also one of the most hated men in cricket apprently - somewhat of a loner that wouldnt exactly add to team moral.
So its no suprise thats its going to be either Collingwood or Jimmy Anderson - who is still centrally contracted - the whole point of central contracts being they get called up when needed.
Still i reckon they will give Jones right up until about 1 minute before play starts to prove his fitness - which incidentally i reckon he will!
Come on Jonesy!
Tremlett bowled like a donkey in the C & G cup final on Saturday - I can hardly have imagined the Aussies being bothered watching that perfomrance - mediocre and mundane would be being kind to describe his bowling.
And as for Caddick he is so far out of the frame its untrue! He is ancient and England wont go back these days and he is also one of the most hated men in cricket apprently - somewhat of a loner that wouldnt exactly add to team moral.
So its no suprise thats its going to be either Collingwood or Jimmy Anderson - who is still centrally contracted - the whole point of central contracts being they get called up when needed.
Still i reckon they will give Jones right up until about 1 minute before play starts to prove his fitness - which incidentally i reckon he will!
Come on Jonesy!
waterloowelshy
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DoUsAFavour said:
David Gower Obvioulsy!
steeplejack
seeing off the new ball
DoUsAFavour said:
You're talking out your arse, or trolling, or both.
1. There has never been a black captain of England. However the captain before Vaughan was Nasser Hussain, who was born in India. Do you think that we should be like Zimbabwe and select players on the basis of their skin colour rather than merit?
2. Botham was w-c. Despite being a right wing Tory, he still does a lot of work behind the scenes with children from poorer backgrounds in the UK. Alec Stewart was hardly a posho, either. And, in the current team, you'd have to put down Harmison, Hoggard, Jones (S), Collingwood as w-c players. Not that anyone seems to care, other than you.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
steeplejack said:You're talking out your arse, or trolling, or both.
2. Botham was w-c. Despite being a right wing Tory, he still does a lot of work behind the scenes with children from poorer backgrounds in the UK. Alec Stewart was hardly a posho, either. And, in the current team, you'd have to put down Harmison, Hoggard, Jones (S), Collingwood as w-c players. Not that anyone seems to care, other than you.
You are clearly tripping. Class plays a MASSIVE role in cricket.
Look at those names you have mentioned, Harmison, Hoggard, Jones, Collingwood.... they are all bowlers. The batsman-upper&middle class and bowling-working class divide is as alive today as it was in the bodyline series. Only a fool could miss that.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
steeplejack said:
Nasser is not black AND he went to a public school.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
Andy the Don said:
Butcher
Your having a laugh!! Butch was one of my favourite England players, but no way as important as either of them. Take the point abot Stewart from yourself and others though.
