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Chomsky - USA as a leading rogue state??

rogue yam said:
Lots. American music, mostly. All kinds thereof. Favorite is jazz. Again all kinds. Within this, my favorite is far-out hard bob and post-bop, but not "free" jazz (usually). Mingus. Coltrane. Sun Ra. Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Etc. If you know, you know.

But as I said, lots of different kinds of music altogether. Lots and lots.

Thanks for asking. You?

To each his own. To me, jazz sucks in general.

It might have made sense back in the thirties and forties, when everyone else was listening to Cab Calloway or Rosemary Clooney, and you smoked a reefer and listened to the only free-form thing in the country, in some black roadhouse.

It probably freed your mind back then, but now, it's as modern as the iron horse.
 
ViolentPanda said:
It makes perfect sense. BOC are shit, but they're slightly better than Foreigner, however neither of them are as good as the Grateful Dead, they're the kind of music listened to by people who think the Dead are too radical.

Nobody except Nixon republicans ever thought the Dead were too radical.
 
friedaweed said:
Not a huge fan of Jazz myself but do recognise the talent of some of those folk. Jazz tends to sit nice with drunks and coke fiends. I don't do much booze and class A's support America's profits from the war on drugs :D
Dudu Pukwana, Hugh Masekela, d'you dig homeboy?

I don't think coke fiends would have the time for jazz.
 
rogue yam said:
No, it makes no sense. BOC have their qualities although you need a sense of humor so most here on u75 are out. Foreigner is irrelevant. The Dead are number one in a field of one. I've forgotten much more about them than you'll ever know. But your either/or thinking regarding them and BOC (or anyone else for that matter) is bollocks. Here in SF, you'll find Deadheads at virtually any concert by other bands. We are not as factionalized, musically or otherwise, here in the US as you limeys are, to say nothing about how factionalized you lot think we are.


You're a dead fan.

Jesus....................

" ...........death's-head sticker on a Cadillac, sayin' don't look back ....................."

Doo de doo....
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
It probably freed your mind back then, but now, it's as modern as the iron horse.
Well, tastes are necessarily personal, but to me jazz is ever new. Miles Davis' last few records revolted many of his long-time fans and the jazz "purists", but they're the only stuff of his that I really like today. I doubt I'll live long enough to listen to enough Sun Ra so that I reach a point where the next record of his I hear (there are hundreds) is not full of surprises. The last of Coltrane's stuff is completely out of reach for me now, but in ten years who knows?

There are plenty of very good players today, but no wild-ass superstars that I know of. And there's a lot of tired crap. This is a problem. And while I've seen some very good players in Europe, if it comes to listing the absolute all-time greats of the genre I can only think of two non-Americans, Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli, and their time was long ago (though I did get to see Stephane a couple of times and he was still quite "hot"). So if I was much younger, and especially if I was younger and lived somewhere other than America, I too might think that jazz was over.

But as some obese, drugged-up, weird-ass beatnik-turned-hippie once told me,

I recall your darkness
When it crackled like a thundercloud.
Don’t tell me this town ain’t got no heart
When I can hear it beat out loud!
 
rogue yam said:
I like Hugh Masakela. I've seen him perform a few times (most recently last fall) and I have one of his records, which I do listen to occasionally. I've never heard of that other guy.

BTW, your remarks concerning jazz and booze/coke are crap, but I expect you already know that.

Interesting but I'll bet you supported the apartheid regime of PW Botha, like all good braindead Republicans did.
 
nino_savatte said:
Interesting but I'll bet you supported the apartheid regime of PW Botha, like all good braindead Republicans did.
NINO :mad: you stole my punchline :mad:
I was saving that :D
 
rogue yam said:
Well, tastes are necessarily personal, but to me jazz is ever new. Miles Davis' last few records revolted many of his long-time fans and the jazz "purists", but they're the only stuff of his that I really like today. I doubt I'll live long enough to listen to enough Sun Ra so that I reach a point where the next record of his I hear (there are hundreds) is not full of surprises. The last of Coltrane's stuff is completely out of reach for me now, but in ten years who knows?

There are plenty of very good players today, but no wild-ass superstars that I know of. And there's a lot of tired crap. This is a problem. And while I've seen some very good players in Europe, if it comes to listing the absolute all-time greats of the genre I can only think of two non-Americans, Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli, and their time was long ago (though I did get to see Stephane a couple of times and he was still quite "hot"). So if I was much younger, and especially if I was younger and lived somewhere other than America, I too might think that jazz was over.

But as some obese, drugged-up, weird-ass beatnik-turned-hippie once told me,

I recall your darkness
When it crackled like a thundercloud.
Don’t tell me this town ain’t got no heart
When I can hear it beat out loud!

I think my criticisms had more to do with my mood last night than an understanding of the musical style. While I've certainly listened to jazz, I can't say that I'm familiar enough with the breadth of it to dismiss it all out of hand. Millions love it, and they can't all be wrong.
 
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