Chomsky - USA as a leading rogue state??
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friedaweed
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So Azzer which Chomsky books have you read?Azrael23 said:IT WAS MEEEEEEE!!!!!
The condescension from my teachers used to bounce like jelly off a trampoline.
Jografer said:
No the guy was a prick, his sense of humour consisted of listening to old Shuttleworth tapes.
WTF? 
BTW I`ve read
(from online)
Secrets, Lies and Democracy
The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many
What Uncle Sam Really Wants
Deterring Democracy
Necessary Illusions
(in my room at uni)
Powers and Prospects
Rogue States and the role of force.
Market Democracy in a Neoliberal Order
Interviews on the Edge of the Apocalypse (chomsky has a section)
My distrust of chomsky began very early, he never talks about debt based money creation, he denies the US govt had prior knowledge of 9/11, he generally plays within the court. He`s only interested in his own ego as being some kind of intellectual darling of the left rather than really challenging our slavers. Anyone can challenge a system or a faceless corporation, it takes infinitely more guts to challenge people, to really get in the faces of the powerbrokers.
He`s such a shill, he repeats a lot of things and some of his books have seemed like old rehashs of what hes already publicised. Its like hes more interested in a record number of publications rather than the issues at hand. I have no time for generalised twoddle on how bad capitalism is. If he`s such an expert why isn`t he pointing out exactly whose responsible rather than sticking to the silent rule of referring to systems and false political terms.
I don`t care how many times the false left want to enshrine him as some kind of celestial father of anti-capitalism, its all false.
He rarely points out the power lies in the banks, he`s never liked to point out that the US govt has been bastardised to become a tool of the elite...
I also have an inherent distrust of people who cry democracy at every turn, equal rights for all means a republic. If 51% say dissent is evil I don`t want to be hung in public if you understand me.
At the end of the day, Chomsky didn`t predict the 9/11 attacks months before they occurred, Alex Jones did.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Oh dear. A zealous disciple.
Hardly the most neutral of arbiters.
Hardly the most neutral of arbiters.
nino_savatte
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Talk about howling at the moon. Alex Jones is a conspiraloon nutjob, whose idea of analysis is comparable to divination.
No john pilger is a legend!
I`m reading his New Rulers of the World atm as it happens. He names and shames, I like it. He also gives in depth exposure to events that have been completely spun. Chomsky does the same and don`t get me wrong, i`m glad he`s about to make people think but he is not our most trusted counsel if you hear me.
It is not a crime to have zeal and to say it cannot be tempered with reason is foolish, what has ever been achieved without enthusiasm?
I`m reading his New Rulers of the World atm as it happens. He names and shames, I like it. He also gives in depth exposure to events that have been completely spun. Chomsky does the same and don`t get me wrong, i`m glad he`s about to make people think but he is not our most trusted counsel if you hear me.
It is not a crime to have zeal and to say it cannot be tempered with reason is foolish, what has ever been achieved without enthusiasm?
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Azrael23 said:
I've always felt most of his books outside the 'landmarks' were the same stories in varying orders.
His talks tend to better, more current.
nino_savatte said:
Errr how so?
I didn`t hear anyone else REPEATEDLY STATING that Bin Laden was going to be used by criminal elements of the US govt to attack America in order to enact the PNAC plan and enforce authoritarianism.
Having reliable informants who`ve been in the intelligence game often for decades is not divination. He risks everything with what he`s doing, the least you can do is have respect for Alex, regardless of whether you agree with him. There are few people who can claim to have been a bigger thorn in the our rulers sides. That can only be a good sign of his loyalties. He blew Bohemian Grove open, do you realise how big that story was?
I have little time for people who resort to sweeping definitions and spurious generalisations to make their point. Give me a why at least.
nino_savatte
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Azrael23 said:
Like Alex Jones and Jeff Rense huh?
Are you a fan of Joe Vialls too, Az?
nino_savatte
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Azrael23 said:
His site is full of conspiracy shite...or would you like me to select a few random things from his site to prove it to you? Not that it would make much difference.
Genghis Cohen said:
The only debate i`ve heard him in was with a student whose opposition to Chomskys anti capitalism consisted of such phrases as "Well errrr...if theres such a problem errr how come no one really said anything?..."
Actually I`ll see if I can find the link for the interview of Chomsky on the AJ show.
nino_savatte said:
You do what you like mate! Of course I`d like to hear why, i`m no disciple of the jonesians or anything like that, I hope with all my heart that some things Alex said aren`t true. The fact remains he`s right a lot of the time....I wish that were a good thing
Out of interest, why didn`t you respond to any of my other points?
nino_savatte
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Azrael23 said:You do what you like mate! Of course I`d like to hear why, i`m no disciple of the jonesians or anything like that, I hope with all my heart that some things Alex said aren`t true. The fact remains he`s right a lot of the time....I wish that were a good thing
Out of interest, why didn`t you respond to any of my other points?
1. What other points? You simply expressed your love for Jones (or it was a close approximation whatever the case).
2. Alex Jones, like the others, makes a living out of peddling crap that diverts people's attention away from the real issues. In this way, governments can accuse anyone who critices them of being "conspiracy fantasists"...and it already happens in the USA.
Genghis Cohen
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I've heard jones come up with some good stuff from decent sources, unfortunately he usually spoiled it by screaming 'THIS SURELY PROVES THE NWO WILL PICKLE US ALL IN JARS AND USE OUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS AS DIPS FOR PARTIES AT BOHEMIAN GROVE' or something equally bizarre.
Genghis Cohen said:
I`ve heard him rant about how they want to kill 80% of us in bio attacks but I`ve not seen much evidence. Then again I don`t have links to the intelligence community so projection is a risky business to me.
My view is that the fact he predicted 9/11 and the scapegoat months before it happened shows his sources have credence.
Its not the kind of information that should be dismissed straight away, the stakes are pretty fucking high.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
You're referring to Alex Jones here whilst dismissing Chomsky as a worm in the same threadAzrael23 said:
Boy this thread gets better with every post
friedaweed said:You're referring to Alex Jones here whilst dismissing Chomsky as a worm in the same thread
Boy this thread gets better with every post
Chomsky blames everything on the US govt and corporations. He then makes out that the only way we`ll ever be saved is if we have a socialist takeover by the United Nations for a super friendly left wing New World Order.
Hmmmmm, Azzy wonders hard whose side Noam is on.....
nino_savatte
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Azrael23 said:Chomsky blames everything on the US govt and corporations. He then makes out that the only way we`ll ever be saved is if we have a socialist takeover by the United Nations for a super friendly left wing New World Order.
Hmmmmm, Azzy wonders hard whose side Noam is on.....
That's a very simplistic reading of the texts.
nino_savatte said:
Well, our Discordian Angel of Death admitted that he'd been through the books looking for support for his theory of a money conspiracy (most of whose proponents are out-and-out antisemites btw). He didn't find it. Therefore, pace him, Chomsky is a shill and worse.
So it would be simplistic, wouldn't it?
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
He's unavailable for comment.rogue yam said:
nino_savatte
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laptop said:
Aye. Angel of Death eh?
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
nino_savatte said:
nino_savatte
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friedaweed said:
Wikipedia said:
Theres also a sci-fi character called Azrael.
Azrael was given the title "Keeper of the Truth"
I love obscurity.
Of course, it could mean I subscribe to some kind of cult that worships death and holds azrael as a form of righteous death free from moral strings. Actually no, i`m not a member of the Great White Brotherhood....
Don't think I'll be inviting you to my next dinner party then.Azrael23 said:Theres also a sci-fi character called Azrael.
Azrael was given the title "Keeper of the Truth"
I love obscurity.
Of course, it could mean I subscribe to some kind of cult that worships death and holds azrael as a form of righteous death free from moral strings. Actually no, i`m not a member of the Great White Brotherhood....
nino_savatte
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Azrael23 said:Theres also a sci-fi character called Azrael.
Azrael was given the title "Keeper of the Truth"
I love obscurity.
Of course, it could mean I subscribe to some kind of cult that worships death and holds azrael as a form of righteous death free from moral strings. Actually no, i`m not a member of the Great White Brotherhood....
"Keeper of the Truth" eh? That's a bit of a misrepresentation on your part - no?
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